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Old 10-25-2012, 04:42 PM   #6121
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The Harley Davidson V-Rod uses the same shims too.

My local HD dealer didn't have any in stock. Told me that their mechanics don't have them either. Then stated that the minimum order was for 5 shims of each size and finally, that he couldn't order them at all.

I am now the proud owner of a Hot-Cams Shim Kit.
Yea but they've got T-shirts stacked to the roof and HD branded polishing kits
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Old 10-25-2012, 05:41 PM   #6122
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Mini, Find the thinnest shim you have and try it. If you can get a measurment that way it's a one shot deal, if it's still too tight go .010 or .015 thinner than you thinnest- odds are you'll need one of those as the valves start to tighten. You put quite a few miles on your bike so plan to do the lash again. As an alternative, you CAN measure it another way, but it's probably beyond my ability to explain via this forum- I'll try:

You say the valve compresses some when tightened down. Measure the height (valve fully seated). You'll have to establish a datum surface, or use a mag base and test indicator. Then install the rocker and remeasure using the same datum. This will tell you how much interferance you have. Add the lash, and order that shim.
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Old 10-25-2012, 08:14 PM   #6123
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Mini, Find the thinnest shim you have and try it. If you can get a measurment that way it's a one shot deal, if it's still too tight go .010 or .015 thinner than you thinnest- odds are you'll need one of those as the valves start to tighten. You put quite a few miles on your bike so plan to do the lash again. As an alternative, you CAN measure it another way, but it's probably beyond my ability to explain via this forum- I'll try:

You say the valve compresses some when tightened down. Measure the height (valve fully seated). You'll have to establish a datum surface, or use a mag base and test indicator. Then install the rocker and remeasure using the same datum. This will tell you how much interferance you have. Add the lash, and order that shim.
Believe it or not that is exactly how you set the cam timing on a 911. I could just draw up a mount to hold a dial indicator and get the guys in the machine shop to cut one out of delrin or aluminum except they don't like me and it would be 10x the trouble of just ordering that kit.

I didn't measure them but I assumed by the etching that both of the intakes (bottom) are the same and both of the exhausts (top) are the same. I thought the numbers might align with the part descriptions.



SHIM D=10/2,00 | 03 (As required)

SHIM D=10/2,05 | 03 (As required)

I have the crank locked at TDC with the tool (that I made from a bolt) but maybe I should check the cam again. I reset the tensioner since I checked the timing.
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Old 10-25-2012, 08:27 PM   #6124
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Pretty much that same as doing a 911, yep.

When/If I have to get that deep in this engine (head off) I'll degree the cams. I have been known to do shit like that just because nobody else does. Built some offset pins for something here not too long ago that I was told you could not adjust the cam timing on. Challange accepted
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Old 10-25-2012, 09:29 PM   #6125
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New 690 owner here. I have a 2012. I want to remove the stock graphics but I can't seem to get anything to work. Heat, thinner, brake cleaner... I am not sure how KTM put those things on there but I can't them off. I have searched the thread but no luck. Any help would be appreciated.
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Old 10-25-2012, 10:11 PM   #6126
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New 690 owner here. I have a 2012. I want to remove the stock graphics but I can't seem to get anything to work. Heat, thinner, brake cleaner... I am not sure how KTM put those things on there but I can't them off. I have searched the thread but no luck. Any help would be appreciated.
I think I just pulled the 2010 graphics off. there was some residue left... GooGone?
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Old 10-26-2012, 04:52 AM   #6127
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Let it sit in the sun and keep at it...
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Old 10-26-2012, 05:27 AM   #6128
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New 690 owner here. I have a 2012. I want to remove the stock graphics but I can't seem to get anything to work. Heat, thinner, brake cleaner... I am not sure how KTM put those things on there but I can't them off. I have searched the thread but no luck. Any help would be appreciated.
Seems that the graphics on the '12 m.y. radiator shrouds are somehow "molded" in the plastic.
Evidence of this can be found in the spare parts catalog that shows a graphic kit that is only composed by the mask, front fender and side number panels stickers...
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Old 10-26-2012, 07:34 AM   #6129
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New 690 owner here. I have a 2012. I want to remove the stock graphics but I can't seem to get anything to work. Heat, thinner, brake cleaner... I am not sure how KTM put those things on there but I can't them off. I have searched the thread but no luck. Any help would be appreciated.
I believe in the long run the better approach is replace the plastic with new, store stock plastic with graphics.
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Old 10-26-2012, 07:35 AM   #6130
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Seems that the graphics on the '12 m.y. radiator shrouds are somehow "molded" in the plastic.
Evidence of this can be found in the spare parts catalog that shows a graphic kit that is only composed by the mask, front fender and side number panels stickers...
I was thinking the same exact thing. I am pretty sure they are some sort of decal though as I can see a few very small air bubbles in them.
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Old 10-26-2012, 07:38 AM   #6131
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I believe in the long run the better approach is replace the plastic with new, store stock plastic with graphics.
I thought the same thing but I can only find replacements with the "decal" already on it.
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Old 10-26-2012, 08:13 AM   #6132
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Re: decal removal-try this in a small area. Sandpaper the surface to break the clearcoat then try the chemicals. Lacquer thinner, acetone, mek. Some of these may melt the surface of the plastic so be careful and try a very small area first. Or just buzz the entire decal off with sandpaper and refinish with plastic renew. Now you got some work on your hands. But it will work.
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Old 10-26-2012, 09:11 AM   #6133
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Re: decal removal-try this in a small area. Sandpaper the surface to break the clearcoat then try the chemicals. Lacquer thinner, acetone, mek. Some of these may melt the surface of the plastic so be careful and try a very small area first. Or just buzz the entire decal off with sandpaper and refinish with plastic renew. Now you got some work on your hands. But it will work.
ALL of those chemicals you just described will MELT the plastic - DO NOT USE THEM

And Id love to see what happens when he grabs some 80g sandpaper and shreds off the stickers. For delicate matters like sticker removal, you need to have finesse and patience. I would start with some 600 or 800 wet sandpaper and lightly remove the initial surface - this light sanding might also remove the embossed decal as well. What you really dont want to happen is create a scratch in the plastic underneath the decal. Then you have to use aforementioned Plastic Renew - which never replicates the original look of the plastic, but more of a clear coated plastic that scratches far easier than the plastic itself.

If you do happen to get the stickers off - remove the residual glue off with cleaners that are specifically designed to do so. GooGone is a great choice in this situation, 3M also makes a nice remover as well

I would avoid this scenario all together and stop being a cheapskate - BUY some new plastic and put the stock stuff in storage.
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Old 10-26-2012, 09:51 AM   #6134
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I would avoid this scenario all together and stop being a cheapskate - BUY some new plastic and put the stock stuff in storage.
I would love to buy new plastic but it comes with the stock graphics already in place.
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Old 10-26-2012, 09:57 AM   #6135
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I would love to buy new plastic but it comes with the stock graphics already in place.
'08-'11 plastics fit on the '12 690 enduro. This will allow you to make your own color combination and install any graphic you want.
Have also a look at the '12 smc-r shrouds color scheme, imho nicer than the enduro one.
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