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Old 02-25-2013, 04:23 AM   #7441
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Isolation tape around the inserts and tape around the metal part as tight as you can-> no movement
What is isolation tape?
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Old 02-25-2013, 04:31 AM   #7442
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Electrical tape.
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Old 02-25-2013, 05:08 AM   #7443
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Don't have a problem with the spacer on either my 17" 0r 18" wheels. Hell, it usually falls off just as I'm trying to slide the wheel back in.
if my experience is contrary to what everybody else is experiencing, maybe i should make a warranty claim?

i know stuck spacers are not uncommon, but the bike is less than a year old.
and putting them back in? i had to bang them back in. wtf?!??!
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Old 02-25-2013, 05:48 AM   #7444
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Anyone know if the KTM Powerparts rad protection fits a 2012?
Yes. I have it on my 2012 R.
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Old 02-25-2013, 05:59 AM   #7445
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Yes. I have it on my 2012 R.
Great, thanks snakepilot.
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Old 02-25-2013, 06:33 AM   #7446
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EDIT: Oh, and as a side note, I have to say that the Factory rally bike that I rode (thanks Steve) before I got my 690 was one of the things that led me to really really want one of these bikes. The factory race suspension is SO AMAZING on fast stutter bumps. The faster the bike is ridden, the better it gets and it REALLY likes it when you are on the power through all types of corners, just CLAMPS the bike to the earth. freaking amazing. HOWEVER... the "public" version of the 690 suspension is very much NOT what the rally bike is.... the next HOWEVER is I hope that I can manage to get the WP suspenders close to the factory stuff...

I think there are several of us who fell in love with the factory rally bike through actually riding it or just seeing it in action...who now want something similar in the normal version. I think the suspension that the factory bike starts with is just better out of the box and more tuneable. The rear shock is different as are the forks and even the frame is different on that bike. The closest out of the box is probably a set of SXS forks and maybe an Ohlins shock ...if there is one that fits the frame...probably a $4000 package before tuning.
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Old 02-25-2013, 07:00 AM   #7447
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Old 02-25-2013, 07:13 AM   #7448
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What's the deal with the rear wheel spacers on the sprocket side?
I had this problem before, and I kind of ignored it. Now, I'm chaning my rear tire again and I was determined to remove the leftmost spacer.
What a pain in the ass! I had to bang it out with a screwdriver and aluminum rod. I marred the spacer all up to holy hell!!

Why was I so determined? I wanted to see how effed my bearing where.
They're ok, thankfully, but I did find some RUST!! Most bike aren't lubed for shit from the factory, and this bike is no exception....



Dammit. Atleast the bearings spin fine....
So then I greased those spacers up with some marine grease and attempted to stick them back into the sprocket hub.
It's a tight fit! What the hell?! I had to tap them in with a mallet kind of hard!!! This seems really weird. The spacers have always slid in and out for every bike I've had, including another KTM.
Is that what everybody else has to do??!!
This means that for the next tire change, I'm going to have to go through all this crap again!!
It's such a tight fit, I'll have to struggle to get the spacers out again (even if I lubed them up)...for rust cleaning/bearing checking and re-lubing.
This is how I feel right now:
Exactly the same as my 2012. I was going to try to prise them out but didn't bother in the end. I've got that rust too. I just greased the hell out of everything and put it back together. I'll check every time I change tyres and again near the end of the warranty period. If it's not good then KTM can fix it

There's hardly any grease on the front wheel either.
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Old 02-25-2013, 12:12 PM   #7449
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I think the suspension that the factory bike starts with is just better out of the box and more tuneable. The rear shock is different as are the forks and even the frame is different on that bike. The closest out of the box is probably a set of SXS forks and maybe an Ohlins shock ...if there is one that fits the frame...probably a $4000 package before tuning.
That's it, Seth.
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Old 02-25-2013, 01:16 PM   #7450
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I think there are several of us who fell in love with the factory rally bike through actually riding it or just seeing it in action...who now want something similar in the normal version. I think the suspension that the factory bike starts with is just better out of the box and more tuneable. The rear shock is different as are the forks and even the frame is different on that bike. The closest out of the box is probably a set of SXS forks and maybe an Ohlins shock ...if there is one that fits the frame...probably a $4000 package before tuning.

I agree, pretty much different motorcycles that are sharing a few components and a KTM badge. If I recall correctly the RR frame has a few less cross braces in a few areas. With the fixed and dynamic mass locations, weight and suspension being rather different the semi common area is the engine. Even at that the 700cc RR race spec engine behaves differently than the 08 short stroke 654cc

Crankshaft went the SXS fork route. I've chatted with him about this change. After doing a bit of research about the differences of close/open chamber forks, I am going to stay away from the closed twin chamber forks for this application.

My goal is going to be setting it up in "soft desert" trim (245lb rider weight) with clickers set at mid positions to deal with the broad range of DS type work the bike will be doing. I believe the best way for me to get there is to run higher rate springs both front and rear (.56-.58 front, 9.2-9.5 rear) with associated damping changes (soften compression, increase rebound bases). The hope is that when I get off into the local single track and jeep trails I can pull back the dials enough to get it close to a "stiff trail" setup. I might even take a look at the RR fork clamp assembly on Steve's RR to see if the offset and total trail is different. That might be interesting to know.....
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Old 02-25-2013, 05:22 PM   #7451
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Once you see the price of the RR triple you will re think and just use a sxs triple
The frame has more gussets and longer at the head stem / back bone there are some pic of comas bike and deperes and there's is a noticeable differences in the head stem area
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Old 02-25-2013, 06:37 PM   #7452
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I am sure the RR prices are crazy. Just curious if it would be possible to emulate the geometry without cutting/pasting the frame, which is technically possible, just lots of work. I am going to see if i can spend some one on one time with a RR and a frame jig to baseline and compare to the 690 E

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Old 02-25-2013, 09:32 PM   #7453
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Stiction on forks

I just bought a used 2012 690 with 800 miles. I know that the forks will have a break in period that will reduce the stiction. I do not want to start changing things until the forks are broken it. About how many road miles will the forks and shock need before they are broken it?
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Old 02-25-2013, 10:49 PM   #7454
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I am sure the RR prices are crazy. Just curious if it would be possible to emulate the geometry without cutting/pasting the frame, which is technically possible, just lots of work. I am going to see if i can spend some one on one time with a RR and a frame jig to baseline and compare to the 690 E

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Old 02-26-2013, 01:13 AM   #7455
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I am sure the RR prices are crazy. Just curious if it would be possible to emulate the geometry without cutting/pasting the frame, which is technically possible, just lots of work. I am going to see if i can spend some one on one time with a RR and a frame jig to baseline and compare to the 690 E

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I am pretty sure that the 690 RR (as in Rally Replica) frames have the same geometry as the 690 E / R / SMC, with a few welded on brackets for the Rally tanks? It's only the factory frames of Coma and Despres that are unique and different from the RR that was available for purchase, and even from each other.

I wouldn't get the RR triples for $$s, you can get 22mm offset from the stock 08-11 ones and bolt on a stabilizer with an adapter (RR has it cast into the upper clamp).

RR does use a longer swingarm though, so the stability will be hard to replicate.
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