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Old 03-11-2013, 12:28 PM   #7696
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It's really not that hard, research "reset adaptations".

If you do that, you will learn that the ecu must be commanded to perform that function [via tune ecu or the ktm XC-1] prior to the 15 min idle procedure.
No thats how it works on KTM 990, not 690 rtfm
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Old 03-11-2013, 12:49 PM   #7697
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On my 2010 and my 2008 I just replaced the filter with a small metal tube and relocated the filter outside the tank. When putting the pump back in the tank, you have to give it a "twist" as you are putting it in to avoid the kinking. This is how they do it from the factory.
To keep this info flowing and clearer.....I have some observations and questions:

I have been into the tank once in order to install Safari Tank and will be in there again soon to do a filter change and maybe install my CA pump...bike has about 18,000 kms with no fuel delivery problems noted at this time.

Uller identified the Napa immersible fuel line and my research indicates that rubber injector fuel line is designed so the INTERIOR wall of line is fuel resistant while the EXTERNAL rubber wall is not. As such, the Uller-identified fuel line has the line's exterior wall made of the same fuel resistant rubber: regular FI line will expend/deteriorate when submersed in fuel over time and this will lead to fuel line deterioration and problems (there is an industry standard for such immersible fuel lines....the Napa line satisfies this standard as does the stock and some aftermarket "corrugated " fuel lines). Crankshaft recently sourced some of the corrugated fuel line....my research indicates it comes in various lengths, each length having a non-corrugated end so as to accept a clamp. It appears that the corrugated line is designed to resist kinking....and experience suggests that the immersible line is thick enough that it is highly unlikely to kink if the length of the line is not excessive.

The Napa fuel line (and similar line w/ industry standard approval) ranges from $20-$30 a foot....the part # Uller provided is for 12 inches of line (#H209 -- 5/16” x 1’) a different part # is used for longer Napa fuel line "package", as it comes pre-measured and not on a spool in the back of the shop.....

So that's the poop on fuel line for use IN the tank as far as I have determined.

Question #1: Uller, it looks like you have not replaced the in-line filter in the tank and have externalized your filter....if my understanding is correct, was the 12 inches long enough to connect fuel pump assembly to regulator, and have fuel pump assembly remain in lowest position possible in tank (i.e. as in stock set-up), or did you do a "splice" as it appears Ronin did when he externalized his fuel line filter in order to meet this positioning requirement ?

#2: Crankshaft....did you purchase that aftermarket line you sourced (likely from the automotive world) and if so, what length did you buy (re: fitted line ends issue) ?

#3: Ronin, it appears that you kept the stock corrugated fuel line in the tank and simply spliced it. Any thoughts on the comments above and/or the value of replacing corrugated line with Napa type immersible line? And what about the risk of kinking line when reassembling?


Thanks folks.....
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Old 03-11-2013, 01:17 PM   #7698
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FWIW- I used 2 pieces of the sumbersible fuel line to remove all the plastic lines in the tank. It was a royal PITA to get clamps on. That hose is much thicker than regular hose. Very tight on the housings. Clamp placement is critical. I noticed no kinking issues. When I go to put my shock back on in the next couple weeks I'll take things out for a couple of pics. I hope that helps some.
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Old 03-11-2013, 02:19 PM   #7699
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No thats how it works on KTM 990, not 690
Wrong.

Same procedure for both.

If/when you upload a new FI map via tune ecu it automatically instructs the ecu to reset the adaptations, that's why you don't need to preform that step in that case.
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Old 03-11-2013, 02:24 PM   #7700
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I find burning the bike to the ground does wonders for resetting the ecu
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Old 03-11-2013, 02:33 PM   #7701
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I find burning the bike to the ground does wonders for resetting the ecu
Or that . . yes.

Full reset .
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Old 03-11-2013, 02:38 PM   #7702
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#3: Ronin, it appears that you kept the stock corrugated fuel line in the tank and simply spliced it. Any thoughts on the comments above and/or the value of replacing corrugated line with Napa type immersible line? And what about the risk of kinking line when reassembling?
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FWIW- I used 2 pieces of the sumbersible fuel line to remove all the plastic lines in the tank. It was a royal PITA to get clamps on. That hose is much thicker than regular hose. Very tight on the housings. Clamp placement is critical. I noticed no kinking issues. When I go to put my shock back on in the next couple weeks I'll take things out for a couple of pics. I hope that helps some.
I never had trouble with the kinking. I knew it would be problem putting the pump back in the tank so I was very careful. When ever I worked on the fuel tank, I removed it from the bike. this gives you much more space to get it wright.

I had every intention of replacing the line with some different line but as dad2bike said, it was very very difficult to get the clamps on the fuel line at the regulator. The line I had purchased would not fit with the clamps on the regulator. this is why I stayed with the stock line.

When I set up the external fuel filter on the 2008 in the UK, I knew how much of a PITA replacing the fuel line is so KTMMitch machined me an aluminum tube to replace the internal fuel filter. This is the easiest way to do it in my opinion.
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Old 03-11-2013, 02:42 PM   #7703
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IMS has the IN TANK fuel line They use it allthe time.
Call them they May sell it to you
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Old 03-11-2013, 03:48 PM   #7704
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IMS has the IN TANK fuel line They use it allthe time.
Call them they May sell it to you
800-237-9906 Talk to Steve
Thanks....uh....who/what is IMS?....Google gives 3 gazillion responses.
Just wondering because websites are a helpful "context" for such a call.
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Old 03-11-2013, 03:55 PM   #7705
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Thanks....uh....who/what is IMS?....Google gives 3 gazillion responses.
Just wondering because websites are a helpful "context" for such a call.
http://www.imsproducts.com
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Old 03-11-2013, 04:00 PM   #7706
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Answered my own question with a call to Steve at IMS (the tank folks....I got it now).

Steve clarified that the hose they use in fuel tanks is simply a transfer hose that delivers the fuel from one section/compartment of the fuel tank to a separate compartment which houses the stock FI fuel pump assembly which has retained the stock fuel pump-to-regulator immersible-approved fuel line....

So..... the IMS hose is not to be used in place of fuel injection hose/line which needs to meet pressure demands (the Napa stuff is tested at 500psi).

So thanks for the link/info BajaDad.....but no go for that line for our purposes here
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Old 03-11-2013, 04:53 PM   #7707
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Old 03-11-2013, 05:00 PM   #7708
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Answered my own question with a call to Steve at IMS (the tank folks....I got it now).

Steve clarified that the hose they use in fuel tanks is simply a transfer hose that delivers the fuel from one section/compartment of the fuel tank to a separate compartment which houses the stock FI fuel pump assembly which has retained the stock fuel pump-to-regulator immersible-approved fuel line....

So..... the IMS hose is not to be used in place of fuel injection hose/line which needs to meet pressure demands (the Napa stuff is tested at 500psi).

So thanks for the link/info BajaDad.....but no go for that line for our purposes here
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Old 03-11-2013, 05:27 PM   #7709
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Sorry
I thought it would help.
No need for apologies....we are all trying to sort out these ideas and issues....and close up some issues with definitive solutions that we can all apply.

I am far from being a good mechanic, but have certainly benefited from the guys here that know their stuff....and the others that, like me, learn from others as well as trial and error.
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Old 03-11-2013, 06:00 PM   #7710
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but have certainly benefited from the guys here that know their stuff....and the others that, like me, learn from others as well as trial and error.
+1 on learning from others...

pulled my fuel pump yesterday, I have the filter, pump, I get the line from napa tomorrow...




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