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Old 03-20-2013, 12:10 AM   #7831
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Well then you've got a light bike...sorta. My GS's are both 475. The Ducati a bit less. All more than a KTM 500 or the 690. So your 425 lb Gixxer is a pig or a fairy, depending. It's all relative....my only point.
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Old 03-20-2013, 01:17 AM   #7832
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Those that have removed their broken upper tank bolts, what is the easiest way to do this?

Seems like it will be easiest if I disconnect the opposite side and pivot the tank out of the way in order to drill a hole in the broken bolt to allow the use of an easy out bolt extractor.

I have put this off for far too long. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
If I've got the RR bottom tank bolt I shouldn't need to replace the stock top ones if they seem OK, or are the RR top bolts a must have?
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Old 03-20-2013, 03:34 AM   #7833
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from reading thru many posts here a lot of people buy the RR product and a lot replace the original cheese bolts for those with a better material spec as originals are crap.

try a 8.8 spec bolt instead - same for the lower bolt.
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Old 03-20-2013, 06:05 AM   #7834
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err, 8.8 is what i call coca cola can material :-)

The RR top bolts are sure stronger, but the side panels dont fit as they should with it.. I replaced them not knowing, but if i did know, i'd have stuck with stock.
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Old 03-20-2013, 06:17 AM   #7835
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sure there are harder bolts available but they are more brittle.
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Old 03-20-2013, 06:21 AM   #7836
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err, 8.8 is what i call coca cola can material :-)

The RR top bolts are sure stronger, but the side panels dont fit as they should with it.. I replaced them not knowing, but if i did know, i'd have stuck with stock.
Does anyone else sell bolts that do fit better with the side panels?
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Old 03-20-2013, 06:25 AM   #7837
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Well then you've got a light bike...sorta. My GS's are both 475. The Ducati a bit less. All more than a KTM 500 or the 690. So your 425 lb Gixxer is a pig or a fairy, depending. It's all relative....my only point.
Your point that 475 for a STREET bike was light. That ain't the case.
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Old 03-20-2013, 06:31 AM   #7838
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Your point that 475 for a STREET bike was light. That ain't the case.
OK you win junior. Now go joust at another windmill.
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Old 03-20-2013, 06:32 AM   #7839
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OK you win junior. Now go joust at another windmill.
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Old 03-20-2013, 10:17 AM   #7840
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err, 8.8 is what i call coca cola can material :-)

The RR top bolts are sure stronger, but the side panels dont fit as they should with it.. I replaced them not knowing, but if i did know, i'd have stuck with stock.
I never noticed this. In fact, you might be first person to ever mention this.

I really like the fact that there is a nut on the RR bolts and you don't have to rely on a torx driver. I also really like the fact that they don't break. I'll take "ill fitting" side panels over broken tank bolts any day.
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Old 03-20-2013, 12:50 PM   #7841
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Well then you've got a light bike...sorta. My GS's are both 475. The Ducati a bit less. All more than a KTM 500 or the 690. So your 425 lb Gixxer is a pig or a fairy, depending. It's all relative....my only point.
I got your point right away!
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Old 03-20-2013, 01:07 PM   #7842
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from reading thru many posts here a lot of people buy the RR product and a lot replace the original cheese bolts for those with a better material spec as originals are crap.

try a 8.8 spec bolt instead - same for the lower bolt.



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err, 8.8 is what i call coca cola can material :-)

The RR top bolts are sure stronger, but the side panels dont fit as they should with it.. I replaced them not knowing, but if i did know, i'd have stuck with stock.
The difference in the RR tank bolts is not just the grade or strength of the bolts, if you look at there design they put the load on the bolt in a different way, that is the main difference.
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Old 03-20-2013, 02:01 PM   #7843
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Vortex ECU settings

How can I safely change it to leaner without a dyno sniffer? Bike is my new to me 2010 690 ER with the Vortex ECU, FMF can and foam air filters. (The stock ECU is still there but I guess it's irrelevant...just along for the ride...right?)

It runs like a scalded dog. But it uses too much gas...between 35 and 38 mpg depending and I'm not the hardest rider around by any means. The three mixture settings on the Vortex are at 3-3-3, which is the leanest the instructions say I should go unless I have a sniffer. I don't.
The can exhibits a bit of black soot and a riding buddy said he could smell it....smells like too rich.

So I'm thinking to turn the three mixture screws to 2-2-2 and ride a tankful. Comments?

One other question. The 15 minute idle thing. After changing the Vortex, should I do the 15 min idle?

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Old 03-20-2013, 02:13 PM   #7844
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How can I safely change it to leaner without a dyno sniffer? Bike is my new to me 2010 690 ER with the Vortex ECU, FMF can and foam air filters. (The stock ECU is still there but I guess it's irrelevant...just along for the ride...right?)

It runs like a scalded dog. But it uses too much gas...between 35 and 38 mpg depending and I'm not the hardest rider around by any means. The three mixture settings on the Vortex are at 3-3-3, which is the leanest the instructions say I should go unless I have a sniffer. I don't.
The can exhibits a bit of black soot and a riding buddy said he could smell it....smells like too rich.

So I'm thinking to turn the three mixture screws to 2-2-2 and ride a tankful. Comments?

One other question. The 15 minute idle thing. After changing the Vortex, should I do the 15 min idle?

Thanks.
I don't think going from 3 to 2 will make the bike too lean. Do you know what maps are in the Vortex? With the Vortex no 15 min idle. I went back and forth with Vortex a couple of times to get the right maps in the right order for my bike with the map switch they offer. All good now. I am surprised the stock ECU is still there. There are two of them. If this ECU is still plugged in then it must be the smaller one. I would remove it. These days they put 5 maps for open airbox and 5 maps for closed airbox. I asked them to do an economy map too. Have not tested it yet.
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Old 03-20-2013, 02:55 PM   #7845
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Originally Posted by JustBob
Well then you've got a light bike...sorta. My GS's are both 475. The Ducati a bit less. All more than a KTM 500 or the 690. So your 425 lb Gixxer is a pig or a fairy, depending. It's all relative....my only point.

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