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Old 04-10-2013, 08:16 AM   #8161
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Wiring problem - advice please

Right rear signal (and I just added some nice led ones)doesn't. 2011 690 Enduro R US. All the other signals and lights work, so (I think) I've traced the fault the black hot line that goes from A to B on the wiring diagram, and I would think the most likely point of failure would be at connection A.


Does anyone know where this would be located? (before I start tearing off insulation on the whole harness )

Thanks for any help - I hate these kind of problems!
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Old 04-10-2013, 11:31 AM   #8162
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Right rear signal (and I just added some nice led ones)doesn't. 2011 690 Enduro R US. All the other signals and lights work, so (I think) I've traced the fault the black hot line that goes from A to B on the wiring diagram, and I would think the most likely point of failure would be at connection A.


Does anyone know where this would be located? (before I start tearing off insulation on the whole harness )

Thanks for any help - I hate these kind of problems!
The two connectors for the left and right rear turn signals are in the taillight assembly. You have to unbolt the taillight to get at the connector. They attach to a 3 conductor cable (ground and each light signal) which goes under the rear fender plastic (along the left side) and exits under the seat near the battery at a plug. This cable runs along side a similar cable from the taillight with runs to a plug which is also under the seat in the vicinity of the battery. You could easily check continuity of the turn signal conductor and the wire you identify by unplugging the turn signal cable under the seat since the cable is long enough when unplugged to reach the vicinity of the rear turn signal connector.
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Old 04-10-2013, 11:46 AM   #8163
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The two connectors for the left and right rear turn signals are in the taillight assembly. You have to unbolt the taillight to get at the connector. They attach to a 3 conductor cable (ground and each light signal) which goes under the rear fender plastic (along the left side) and exits under the seat near the battery at a plug. This cable runs along side a similar cable from the taillight with runs to a plug which is also under the seat in the vicinity of the battery. You could easily check continuity of the turn signal conductor and the wire you identify by unplugging the turn signal cable under the seat since the cable is long enough when unplugged to reach the vicinity of the rear turn signal connector.
Thanks for your comments. Unfortunately the problem lies "upstream" of the 3 prong connector under the seat. Tail light and signals have all be removed and circuits checked and good. There is no continuity between the black lead on the front signal and the black lead at the 3 prong plug (and the plug is good as well), and since the front signal works, the beak must be some where in between (by my sometimes flawed logic). So my question is - where to start? Is it behind the headlight assembly or back in the main wiring bundle along the frame?
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Old 04-10-2013, 12:38 PM   #8164
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I use motion lite loc's tyres are still on so they must work
Motion Pro Lite Locks don't come in the size needed for the 690 (2.5 ") ....they do come in 2.15"....good for smaller KTMs

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Old 04-10-2013, 12:44 PM   #8165
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Thanks for your comments. Unfortunately the problem lies "upstream" of the 3 prong connector under the seat. Tail light and signals have all be removed and circuits checked and good. There is no continuity between the black lead on the front signal and the black lead at the 3 prong plug (and the plug is good as well), and since the front signal works, the beak must be some where in between (by my sometimes flawed logic). So my question is - where to start? Is it behind the headlight assembly or back in the main wiring bundle along the frame?
The front turn signal connectors are behind the headlight. The junction for the wire going in the harness to the right rear TS should be close to the connector for the right front TS. You could always run a separate wire from that point to the TS connector under the seat.
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Old 04-10-2013, 01:04 PM   #8166
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Right rear signal (and I just added some nice led ones)doesn't. 2011 690 Enduro R US. All the other signals and lights work, so (I think) I've traced the fault the black hot line that goes from A to B on the wiring diagram, and I would think the most likely point of failure would be at connection A.
You have checked that + and - are conected rightways to the led indicator?
Flip them and it won't work. (you probably know this already..)

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Old 04-10-2013, 01:32 PM   #8167
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Motion Pro Lite Locks don't come in the size needed for the 690 (2.5 ") ....they do come in 2.15"....good for smaller KTMs

Size DOES matter
Thanks all.

Seth, you've had no problems running 2.15" on your 690?

Mudguts also, presumably?

Would be good to avoid heavier rim locks if possible ...
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Old 04-10-2013, 02:17 PM   #8168
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sorta same

I had the same kind of problem a while ago, tried many different things. As it turned out the relay up front was my problem. Try a different one if you can or a friends etc..


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Thanks for your comments. Unfortunately the problem lies "upstream" of the 3 prong connector under the seat. Tail light and signals have all be removed and circuits checked and good. There is no continuity between the black lead on the front signal and the black lead at the 3 prong plug (and the plug is good as well), and since the front signal works, the beak must be some where in between (by my sometimes flawed logic). So my question is - where to start? Is it behind the headlight assembly or back in the main wiring bundle along the frame?
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Old 04-10-2013, 02:23 PM   #8169
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Question where the hell is it

I saw a picture and diagram of the 08 690 dash plug of whats what. I had the web page saved on my phone and now it says it is gone. Anyone have the link or pic of it? Speedo is gone and just need to plug in some led lights for low fuel and maybe a temp sensor. I have an trail tech vapor that I might use if I can?
Please help or tell me I am screwed, either way thanks
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Old 04-10-2013, 02:52 PM   #8170
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The front turn signal connectors are behind the headlight. The junction for the wire going in the harness to the right rear TS should be close to the connector for the right front TS. You could always run a separate wire from that point to the TS connector under the seat.
Sounds like a logical place to start - and the place most likely so suffer vibration/movement etc. New wire is the backup plan - hope I don't have to!

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You have checked that + and - are conected rightways to the led indicator?
Flip them and it won't work. (you probably know this already..)

Checked and good. Used Tuff Lites that come KTM wired, so my incompetence was prevented on that front

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I had the same kind of problem a while ago, tried many different things. As it turned out the relay up front was my problem. Try a different one if you can or a friends etc..
As I read the wiring diagram, the relay would effect all signals, and the switch would effect both front and rear (am I right - I'm no electrician), but if I can't find a bad connection I'll try a temp direct wire - if that doesn't work - ???? The left signals and the right front all flash.

I guess I'm glad this happened in my garage and not half way to Baja.
(My glass is half full - of crap)
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Old 04-10-2013, 04:10 PM   #8171
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I tried to have a wire from the front signal to the rear one and it will work (sort of) The rear was led and the front were stock. So when I decides to go LED fro the front I had to install the new relay up front to compensate for all the LEDs they all worked after that and never had a problem?????
(Just remember brown is ground)


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As I read the wiring diagram, the relay would effect all signals, and the switch would effect both front and rear (am I right - I'm no electrician), but if I can't find a bad connection I'll try a temp direct wire - if that doesn't work - ???? The left signals and the right front all flash.

I guess I'm glad this happened in my garage and not half way to Baja.
(My glass is half full - of crap)
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Old 04-10-2013, 04:31 PM   #8172
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I saw a picture and diagram of the 08 690 dash plug of whats what. I had the web page saved on my phone and now it says it is gone. Anyone have the link or pic of it? Speedo is gone and just need to plug in some led lights for low fuel and maybe a temp sensor. I have an trail tech vapor that I might use if I can?
Please help or tell me I am screwed, either way thanks

i can't help, but i will tell ya your screwed... no matter what..
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Old 04-10-2013, 06:17 PM   #8173
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screwed

thanks for your lack of help...should have asked your better half . As long as you are telling me I am screwed vs trying to screw me all is good.

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Old 04-10-2013, 06:51 PM   #8174
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hmmmm...Its possible I am using the next size down on the 2.5" rim...I have not had any issues.

edit: right now I have no rim locks on the bike because I have Rally Mousse in the tires
Let's assume you installed that 2.15 and tighten the screw ... You have any clue they were doing their job properly ? I mean, they may have not lock the tire at all after all. I ride at 20 PSI and never felt the need to install rim lock ... It was a very different story on my previous Jap bike. I thought of installing two rim locks at one point ...


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Old 04-10-2013, 06:57 PM   #8175
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thanks for your lack of help...should have asked your better half . As long as you are telling me I am screwed vs trying to screw me all is good.
Maybe this will help you feel less screwed.

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