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Old 08-02-2013, 10:04 AM   #10051
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There seems to be a worldwide shortage of these exhaust rockers. I have called KTM dealers and parts houses nationwide and all say the intake rockers are available and the exhaust rockers are backordered from KTM until 9/18/13. Almost all of the dealers say that there is not a large problem with 690 valve rockers, but yet none of these rockers are available. HMMMMMMMMMM! Anyway, if anyone knows of a dealer or individual that has an exhaust rocker for sale, please let me know as I was going to use this bike on a big ride the end of August. Thanks for listening to my groaning and moaning.
There is not a worldwide shortage, just a US shortage. They are in stock in dealers in Europe. I picked up a pair but knew I probably should have brought back more.

Note for a few extra for shipping maybe try KTM-versand.de, they are a fairly big dealer. Probably a few other places also. Be sure to get the new superseded exhaust rocker P/N 75036061144.

Edit: I still have my old exhaust rocker with a little "marking" on the roller but otherwise it seems ok. Rolling is smooth. I replaced them both as part of a rebuild. You're welcome to have it for the cost of shipping.

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Thanks DJ for your response. We're your rollers sloppy. My valve clearances were s far out that I was amazed the bike ran well. Did you get the rollers through your dealer or elsewhere? Should my target clearances be to the.07mm end or the .13mm end? Thanks
There is some side to side play (axial) but definitely not radial play in the roller. Sounds like it just needs to be replaced.

I would go for tight to mid-range if you check them often. As the valves wear in to the head they will get tighter, or you would expect them to. But as that roller wears they may get looser.

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Old 08-02-2013, 10:09 AM   #10052
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i believe he did a remap for me, he mentioned that if it still idle high i should change back to stock air filter. But a spark plug change before remap indicates brown so its good right?

anyone with RR form filter with stock exos having similar situation?
You need to confirm that with your dealer. As RoninMoto says, you should re-map. I'm going to have my dealer load a new map my for my bike tomorrow. It's a 2013 690E, with a Rally Raid filter and FMF Q4 exhaust, I'll let you know what they suggest for the correct map and how it turns out.

As for plug color...the old method using a plug reading to gage AF ratio mostly pertains to leaded fuel and a very specific process. So looking at a plug that has been used for a while is not nearly as valuable as you might think (IMHO). Search for a link on "plug chop" and be prepared to sift through the endless debate.

Here is a very old, but still useful link...http://www.strappe.com/plugs.html

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Old 08-02-2013, 11:06 AM   #10053
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fuel filter hose clamps

What size fuel filter hose clamps will fit when replacing the fuel filter? I replaced the old filter with a Napa 3011 filter.

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Old 08-02-2013, 12:18 PM   #10054
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Can you share what dealer that is?
Considering my last post was a bit negative towards the dealer, at this point I want to give them a chance. Not trying to give them bad advertising.

While I was there today the manager was very upfront and somewhat apologetic. I'm going to give them another shot next week.

The *middle man/guy on the phone, relayed incorrect information to the manager. They thought this was a pre--existing condition. Now they know otherwise.




If after the next round they can't fix the problem, I'm taking it somewhere else..considering I'm going to be driving across the country and starting my trip out of Boulder CO..I'm sure I can find someone who knows the in's and out's of a 690. North central Jersey isn't exactly a hotbed for KTM mechanics.
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Old 08-02-2013, 12:55 PM   #10055
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Thanks DJ for your response. We're your rollers sloppy. My valve clearances were s far out that I was amazed the bike ran well. Did you get the rollers through your dealer or elsewhere? Should my target clearances be to the.07mm end or the .13mm end? Thanks
Yes, both my rollers were worn enough to loosen the valves. The exhausts were almost twice the maximum clearance (.008), the intakes were nearly at the maximum. Usually valve clearances get smaller as the valves wear into the valve seats, not larger, so I set mine at the upper end of the range (.13 mm or .005 in). A fellow AdvRider sent me rockers (to be replaced when the Dealer I use -- KTM World in GA ships the rockers). He has the intake roller now and expects the exhaust today.
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Old 08-02-2013, 01:04 PM   #10056
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My apologys!!
I had 02 for UP but that is of course, 20 on the cluster..
Anyone tried these inputs on a 2008 690E instrument cluster?
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Old 08-02-2013, 01:07 PM   #10057
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What size fuel filter hose clamps will fit when replacing the fuel filter? I replaced the old filter with a Napa 3011 filter.

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The outside diameter of the OEM black nylon hose is 8mm.
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Old 08-03-2013, 08:53 AM   #10058
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You need to confirm that with your dealer. As RoninMoto says, you should re-map. I'm going to have my dealer load a new map my for my bike tomorrow. It's a 2013 690E, with a Rally Raid filter and FMF Q4 exhaust, I'll let you know what they suggest for the correct map and how it turns out.
Just got back from the dealer - they said they couldn't find a performance map from KTM for the 2012/2013 690E. They tried to get in touch with KTM USA to see what they suggested, but it appears no one was available. So I turned around and left. He said he'd call me on Monday. Not sure what to think at this point...
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Old 08-03-2013, 09:28 AM   #10059
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Just got back from the dealer - they said they couldn't find a performance map from KTM for the 2012/2013 690E. They tried to get in touch with KTM USA to see what they suggested, but it appears no one was available. So I turned around and left. He said he'd call me on Monday. Not sure what to think at this point...
They are on Tune ECU website. Maps are under the 2012 Enduro R. You have two choices. EVO 1 and EVO 2. Get the EVO1 and add 3-4% of fuel to all of the F and L maps. You should see a big difference throughout the RPM range.
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Old 08-03-2013, 10:41 AM   #10060
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Going the TuneECU route is great if possible because then you are free of the dealer. I finally just went the Vortex ECU route but reprogramming the stock ECU works very well too. Seems like most dealers are tied to KTM and that is it, so even though there are tons of solutions out there, the dealer says KTM has nothing!
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Old 08-03-2013, 10:47 AM   #10061
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Thanks for the tips. I remapped my Thruxton a few months ago and it's running great. I think I'll order the converter cable and dig up the maps you recommended. Can't be that much more difficult. Not sure now why I even bothered with the dealer.
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Old 08-03-2013, 12:29 PM   #10062
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Just got back from the dealer - they said they couldn't find a performance map from KTM for the 2012/2013 690E. They tried to get in touch with KTM USA to see what they suggested, but it appears no one was available. So I turned around and left. He said he'd call me on Monday. Not sure what to think at this point...
When I got my 690 back in 2008 the dealer didn't even know there was a map switch. This led to quite a few people getting bikes that were set on low power and would complain about how poor the bike felt. We have mostly progressed since then.
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Old 08-03-2013, 01:31 PM   #10063
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Re-mapping a bike still needs a "specialist in some places and it has a reputation to be a "endeavor" closest thing to a trip to the moon. Well, it really is not. Practically it is like re-jetting a carb bike but the jet copper threads won't wear out even if you re-map your bike every morning.
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Old 08-03-2013, 02:51 PM   #10064
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Re-mapping a bike still needs a "specialist in some places and it has a reputation to be a "endeavor" closest thing to a trip to the moon. Well, it really is not. Practically it is like re-jetting a carb bike but the jet copper threads won't wear out even if you re-map your bike every morning.
And no more fiddling with rubber carb boots, small carb bowl bolts, and float pins/seats.
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Old 08-03-2013, 09:36 PM   #10065
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My apologys!!
I had 02 for UP but that is of course, 20 on the cluster..
Anyone tried these inputs on a 2008 690E instrument cluster?
Yes, just did today on my 2013 690 after StevenD's correction. I also corrected my Pinout Table earlier.

Pin 18 was already wired to ground, so I didn't have to wire that one up.

I connected pin 19, 20 & 21 using these JST XAD contacts.







Then ran the wires through the wire harness from the display, 3 wires exposed and yet to wire to a matching connector.



Drumroll. . . . . . . IT WORKS! Thanks StevenD!

I tested each of the 3 leads to Ground and they worked as expected. I wired it like this:

Red as MODE (pin 19)
White as UP (pin 20)
Blue as DOWN (pin 21)


I took a chance and fished around the remaining unused connectors with a ground lead looking for the "SET" function like the 690 SuperDuke tripmaster switch uses, but no luck. At least the standard 990, Berg, EXC tripmaster switches will work great.


I will use either one of these two switches below once I decide which one will fit better, then get the proper mating connectors from Eastern Beaver.

KTM Part Number: 58214069044



KTM Part Number: 54814073000




Available in several places like:

KTMtwins here and here.

KTM-PARTS here and here. (Prices are better for some parts, plus 10% discount off all prices for signing up/login, another 5% for ADV coupon code "RIDETHEWORLD".)

Munn Racing (15% discount if you click on the item after a part# search)

KTM World, etc...


and...

I have the parts and building up the first prototype for a small waterproof rotary Map switch, which will handle all 4 maps on the 690. More later...
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