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Old 10-10-2011, 04:53 AM   #61
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Just got this email from Ducati..the powerplant in pictures..


http://www.superquadro.ducati.com/en/?__utma=1.184310593.1318247240.1318247240.13182472 40.1&__utmb=1.0.10.1318247240&__utmc=1&__utmx=-&__utmz=1.1318247240.1.1.utmcsr=newsletter|utmccn=N L_20111010|utmcmd=email|utmcct=motore_sbk&__utmv=-&__utmk=126736269

Superquadro, I would take one of these just to look at on the desk
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Old 10-10-2011, 04:59 AM   #62
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That is proof right there that Ducati is focusing more on the US market...
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Old 10-10-2011, 05:04 AM   #63
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Another great angle
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Old 10-10-2011, 06:57 AM   #64
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195bhp. Jesus wept. That's a lot of ponies for a bike that'll be so light. Bit of a far cry from the 851...
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Old 10-10-2011, 07:49 AM   #65
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Wait until all of the new designs for this thing are revealed..
Some real game changers. Lord I wish my back was 21 again
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Old 10-10-2011, 07:59 AM   #66
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195bhp. Jesus wept. That's a lot of ponies for a bike that'll be so light. Bit of a far cry from the 851...

^^ Is that chart for the Panigale?

It is only a few years since I observed with some pride that my S4Rs motor stock surpassed at about 7500rpm the 851's maximum output.

Now looking at the curve above, the Panigale surges past my Testastretta 998's max output at about, ahem, 7800rpm.

Of course, it is all a bit pointless for road use, given that I rarely run mine past 8 anyhow. But headroom is nice to have and it is fun to speculate about the Panigale.

Guess we are talking quickest I-4 hyperbike power numbers with 20 per cent more grunt. Nice. And soul too ... (well, one can hope)
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Old 10-10-2011, 08:27 AM   #67
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Looks like the new 1199 Ducati will be a game-changer for twin-lovers like the S1000RR was for the 1000cc superbikes.
Getting rid of of the dry clutch and cambelts,great ! But I doubt it will make 195 hp,but even 185 or so won't last reliable for 60 K or so miles...My guess after 20K miles ridden hard that engine will be toast making 95 or so hp from a 600cc single...unbelieveable especially where Harley gets 35hp per 800cc cylinder or with their 1200XLR "sportbike" less than 45hp from 600cc...
And who will be able to ride a bike so powerful with 135NM !!! torque that probably weighs in at a realistic 420 lbs wet.Ducati claims 400lbs wet but that will be like 195hp a little optimistic in reality...
Very impressive and the posers/fanboys will me more than pleased especially where Carlos Checa just claimed the WSB title on the "old and underpowered" 1198...
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Old 10-10-2011, 09:09 AM   #68
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for chain/gear cam drive!!!

holding my breath until pricing info is released....
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Old 10-10-2011, 10:09 AM   #69
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Old 10-10-2011, 10:37 AM   #70
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With the oversquare/short stroke high rpm design unfortunately the Ducati boom seems a thing of the past...
Sounds almost like a 4 banger at low revs for a 4 cylinder...
Anyways we'll see/know more shortly.
Thanks for the interesting propaganda video...
Timing chains are nothing new and valve decompression systems where already available on old Honda XL singles...
Looks to me Ducati build a super powerful twin with the old short stroke high rpm method...
Sounds like a true race engine to me...maybe the older ones are actually nicer to ride on the street with a wider powerband and more torque at more accessable/lower rpm levels.
We'll see !
Lot's of hype but nothing really new despite all the impressive numbers...
Let's see if they at least offer ABS with TC...
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All that...which takes a while to soak in..and still not the biggest news to come
Some of the things that they have done to this motor..unreal.
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All that...which takes a while to soak in..and still not the biggest news to come
Some of the things that they have done to this motor..unreal.
Gary
For real - 195 hp out of a 1200cc twin is fucking insanity... if the weight figures are close to real holy crap - this thing is going to be a demon to ride!
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Old 10-10-2011, 11:02 AM   #73
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Boxer-lust, you remind me of another famous inmate on the 1200 Tenere threads...

Have the two of you met yet ?

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Old 10-10-2011, 02:55 PM   #74
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Very nice looking engine and impressive power curve! I like they went to the chain/gear set up like my SV1000 (and TLs), which makes valve adjustments so easy because you just lift the cams off! Although having the front suspension bolted to the valve cover might slow you down...?
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Old 10-10-2011, 04:46 PM   #75
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On paper it is for sure impressive !
But riding it might be an altogether different experience with all that torquey power and light weight.
Reliability too with soo much power from only 2 big cylinders...
And really new technology,I don't see either.
Just old fashioned short stroke/wide bore race stuff to generate big numbers now done to the xtreme to a twin...
Apart from rideability for non race gods like Checa or Bayliss,and longevity for such a high hp per liter 2 cylinder engine ( 95 hp out of a 600cc single ! ) I see marketing problems.
Instead of the still WSB winning Trellis frame Ducati uses the new "frameless" design that even the greatest rider off all times ( Rossi ) can't ride...
Big marketing problem that could be a costly mistake if Rossi heads out with an old Trellis frame next year in MotoGP...
Because real Ducatisti hang on to tradition (Desmo) and also want to be as close to the stuff they race and actually win races with.
Next year will tell !
And I don't think the twin will make more hp than the S1000RR.
Only on paper like the ZX10...
For the Diavel they advertise 162 and have less than 130 at the rear wheel even if it should make around 145...
But even if the 1199 makes 160 at the rear (10 % down on the best inline 4) I doubt the engine will see many miles between expensive rebuids...
But at least front tires last forever because it will be a wicked wheely machine...
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