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Old 06-16-2012, 06:49 AM   #1801
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21 liters = 5.5 US gallons so if they make a 3 gallon tank that would give an extra 192 miles.
Total would be 428 miles between both tanks and that would still leave a little extra room in the cubby.

I could ride to work 8 days with out having to fill up at that rate.
..and there goes to light handling out the door!
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Old 06-16-2012, 07:00 AM   #1802
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..and there goes to light handling out the door!
You don't have to fill the spare tank if you don't need it.
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Old 06-16-2012, 08:04 AM   #1803
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I was kinda set on the NC/X but after reading a review here on the Integra I'm wondering how the DCT would compare...
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Old 06-16-2012, 08:15 AM   #1804
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Like I said, I think it's a Tmax killer.
Gotta try it.

Or better not.
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Old 06-16-2012, 08:23 AM   #1805
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I just ran my Goldwing up to 6500 rpm last night and that is more than enough for me.
I normally shift at 3000 rpm's on the GL, so I think the NC will do just fine. 7500 on the GL will get a you ticket real fast.
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Old 06-16-2012, 08:39 AM   #1806
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I just ran my Goldwing up to 6500 rpm last night and that is more than enough for me.
I normally shift at 3000 rpm's on the GL, so I think the NC will do just fine. 7500 on the GL will get a you ticket real fast.
Funny, I did the same thing last night on my FJR. Full throttle and shifting at 4k rpm was still a freakin hoot. Bring on the torque!
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Old 06-16-2012, 10:38 AM   #1807
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Funny, I did the same thing last night on my FJR. Full throttle and shifting at 4k rpm was still a freakin hoot. Bring on the torque!
Yes it is a hoot, except this honda is not going to have the pull of your FJR even at lower RPM. The FJR is making 75+ FT LBS of torque even below 4000 RPM, and is making about 85 around 5000 RPM where the honda makes its maximum torque of about 45 ft lbs. I understand the Honda weighs less, but it makes a lot less torque.

This motorcycle really conforms to the same philosophy Harley has used seemingly forever. Comparatively long stroke low revving engine that focuses on torque. It has a red line not unlike an 883 Sportster, maximum torque and horsepower a hair less than an 883 sportster, and slightly better mileage. At steady, normal highway speeds an 883 can pop 60 + mpg.

The Honda is worth buying for the fuel mileage, price point, and mild off pavement capabilities. Anyone who buys one and keeps that in mind is going to be plenty happy. Just like the 883 Sportster, performance really isn't going to be very impressive. I'd imagine much like the typical 883 buyer, the moment someone expects the Honda to be something it isn't they'll take a beating trading it in on a bigger engined bike.
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Old 06-16-2012, 11:12 AM   #1808
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Thanks. I kinda know what to expect but your numbers make it easier to figure it out. Given the difference in wet weight and torque the NC700X should be 72.5% as exciting as the FJR1300 @ or below 5000 rpm. I was hoping for 73% but this is pretty close. It should work.

I still enjoy driving my 4cyl 5 speed Tacoma. It's probably the slowest 4 wheeled vehicle that I have ever owned except for a '57 CJ5. If you drive it at normal speeds around town and short shift it you would never guess it's a 4cyl because the VVT gets the torque down lower.

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Yes it is a hoot, except this honda is not going to have the pull of your FJR even at lower RPM. The FJR is making 75+ FT LBS of torque even below 4000 RPM, and is making about 85 around 5000 RPM where the honda makes its maximum torque of about 45 ft lbs. I understand the Honda weighs less, but it makes a lot less torque.

This motorcycle really conforms to the same philosophy Harley has used seemingly forever. Comparatively long stroke low revving engine that focuses on torque. It has a red line not unlike an 883 Sportster, maximum torque and horsepower a hair less than an 883 sportster, and slightly better mileage. At steady, normal highway speeds an 883 can pop 60 + mpg.

The Honda is worth buying for the fuel mileage, price point, and mild off pavement capabilities. Anyone who buys one and keeps that in mind is going to be plenty happy. Just like the 883 Sportster, performance really isn't going to be very impressive. I'd imagine much like the typical 883 buyer, the moment someone expects the Honda to be something it isn't they'll take a beating trading it in on a bigger engined bike.
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Old 06-16-2012, 11:17 AM   #1809
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Was that Hollister, Ca that said July 10th? I'm trying like hell to stay loyal to my local Mom/Pop Honda shop. Maybe I'll buy a CBR250R until the 700x summer frenzy is over.
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Old 06-16-2012, 11:30 AM   #1810
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Was that Hollister, Ca that said July 10th? I'm trying like hell to stay loyal to my local Mom/Pop Honda shop. Maybe I'll buy a CBR250R until the 700x summer frenzy is over.
Yes. I almost did the same but then I rode a CBR250R. What a dissappointment. They need to take some 250cc engine building lessons from Yamaha.
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Old 06-16-2012, 11:34 AM   #1811
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Yes. I almost did the same but then I rode a CBR250R. What a dissappointment. They need to take some 250cc engine building lessons from Yamaha.

Yeah, thinking about a WR250X too...there is a turbo kit for 50 RWHP.

All I really want for a commuter is to get up to 75 mph, then hold it there for 86 miles, 8 hours later repeat. There can be a brutal headwind on the morning ride though, I seriously doubt a 250 would be much fun.
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Old 06-16-2012, 11:39 AM   #1812
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All this speculation and discussion about its power and redline is sort of fun and kinda of what we do here, but it really depends on the individual. I thoroughly loved the rush I got from getting on the FZ1. The acceleration was simply intoxicating. It was way more than you could ever use on the street, except in very short bursts when the law wasn't around. And yet there were a lot of guys on the FZ1 board that absolutely had to mod the carbs, pipes, etc to get more. Mine carburated about perfectly stock so I never understood the need.

Conversely the 4 funnest bikes I've owned were all slow:
1976 XT500;
1984 Sporty XLX
1990 Honda Hawk
1988 BMW R100Gs.
There' s something to be said for a bike you can flog a little on the street and not be going a buck twenty.
This thread screams for somebody to say, "its more fun to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow".
So I just did
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Old 06-16-2012, 01:10 PM   #1813
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I couldn't resist and had to see if I could construct a dyno comparison between the Honda NC700X and and a Suzuki 2002 SV650. I did this because I'm wondering how the Honda might perform compared to a bike I already own. I had to convert Nm to lb.ft. and kW to bhp plus I can't vouch at all for the original data, so take the chart with a huge grain of salt. I used an SV dyno chart that seems to agree with several other charts I've seen. The data on the NC700X was taken from a review of the bike on ashonbikes.com. It's interesting to compare the HP of the two bikes. The honda actually has more up to about 6K. Torque on the Honda is pretty flat staying above 40 lb.ft. for practically the entire rev range. If the NC700X's power is anything like the SVs up to 6K rpm, I'm totally sold. Of course, if anyone here has actually ridden both bikes, I'd love to hear your comments.

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Old 06-16-2012, 02:35 PM   #1814
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Yes. I almost did the same but then I rode a CBR250R. What a dissappointment. They need to take some 250cc engine building lessons from Yamaha.
The CBR250R is also tuned for fuel efficiency. Most riders get 70 mpgUS. Careful riders get 80. It also has low 10.7:1 compression so it can use any cheap gas anywhere in the world. I fly on mine and very rarely reach the throttle stop in any gear. And it costs 50% less than the Yamaha WR250.
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Old 06-16-2012, 02:38 PM   #1815
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Yeah, thinking about a WR250X too...there is a turbo kit for 50 RWHP.

All I really want for a commuter is to get up to 75 mph, then hold it there for 86 miles, 8 hours later repeat. There can be a brutal headwind on the morning ride though, I seriously doubt a 250 would be much fun.
The WR will feel like you are a parachute at 75 compared to the streamlined CBR250R. I ride 40 miles at 70 mph each way in pouring rain on my CBR. It is a dart on the highway. Went down and back to Americade in the left lane at 75-80 mph and still got 75 mpgUS. 460 miles. 42F and heavy fog in the morning. 48F and pelting rain for two hours on the way home. I did get pretty cold though so I will add some heated grips and an electric vest. 42F is about the point where I think about putting on the grip muffs.

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