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Old 11-24-2011, 08:17 AM   #226
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It does work on DR indeed. My DR800 front wheel feels more planted with beak than without it (rode it once without plastics. But I do not know if it was reason BMW took this Suzuki idea to GSes.
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Old 11-24-2011, 03:18 PM   #227
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The original idea supposed to improve aerodynamics, but I don't know if it really does. I heard DR750's ride very nice at high speed though.

That seems to be rather a pipe dream. The "beak" is way too weak to be effective doing that.
I was talking about the original idea with the "beaks". They were to be used in conjunction with Airbags.

Honda called them chins.

If I find the video I'll post it up.

[edit] Can't find the video but I found this

http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-...rge/11809.html

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These include a Goldwing-style airbag, as well as the first car-style crumple-zones ever seen on a motorcycle. A lightweight aluminium frame, not unlike the seat subframe on a conventional bike, extends forwards to the very front of the fairing, terminating in the distinctive 'chin' under the headlight.

Read more: http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-...#ixzz1efTiGkU3
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http://www.gizmag.com/vfr1200-tourer...st-bike/13201/

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The most attention-grabbing element of the new machine's appearance is the elongated "chin" beneath the headlights – a design cue that harks back to Honda's X-Wing concept bike of 1999, and one that was originally believed to be created for aerodynamic reasons. But the true reason for its existence is that it's the first ever car-style crumple-zone to be incorporated into a motorcycle.

The body panels hide an aluminum structure that bolts to the frame rails behind the steering head and extends almost as far as the front edge of the bike's front tire. So in a frontal impact, it will hit at the same time as the front wheel, helping absorb the forces.

And its safety purposes don't stop there. As well as spreading out the impact forces, its position – intentionally well above the bike's center of gravity – means that it completely changes the behavior of the bike in a crash, particularly the typical impact caused when a car pulls out into a rider's path.
Obviously for price reasons it has become the "corporate look"


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Old 11-25-2011, 12:00 AM   #228
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Hmmm... some one has been buzzy with Photoshop again... UGLY.

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Obviously for price reasons it has become the "corporate look"

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Old 11-25-2011, 12:50 AM   #229
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More x-wing



It was a show bike, The predecessor of the VFR Show bike and then the X - Tourer
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Old 11-25-2011, 02:03 AM   #230
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Latest news from my friend in France.

French journos already tested NC700X
Their conclusion is that it is budget bike, but well-made, with good quality.
Consumption less than 5 liter per 100, but of course not mentioned magics like 3.7
Engine is....well....50 bhp, what you expect...and 218 kilos
Main advantage - price. 6500 Euro basic model, 7500 Euro model with DCT.

No, do not expect reports on how it behaves on Pari-Dakar route
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Old 11-25-2011, 03:11 AM   #231
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No, do not expect reports on how it behaves on Pari-Dakar route


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Thanks for that.

I think the 3.7 wil be achieved on a dead straight flat road a a constant 50km/h or something.

So if Honda claim 3.7 for this and 6.5 for the big 1200cc it looks like maybe the 1200 will be around the 8L/100 real "testers" world consumption.
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Old 11-25-2011, 03:30 AM   #232
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you do realize I am going to steal that photo? :)

Brilliant.
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Old 11-25-2011, 04:23 AM   #233
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I think the 3.7 wil be achieved on a dead straight flat road a a constant 50km/h or something.

So if Honda claim 3.7 for this and 6.5 for the big 1200cc it looks like maybe the 1200 will be around the 8L/100 real "testers" world consumption.
Let's hope not, for Honda's sake.
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Old 11-25-2011, 04:47 AM   #234
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The cool thing is that those Vespa guys finished the Pharaoh race without major problems, even ahead of a CRF450X if I recal
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Old 11-25-2011, 10:09 AM   #235
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Latest news from my friend in France.

French journos already tested NC700X
Their conclusion is that it is budget bike, but well-made, with good quality.
Consumption less than 5 liter per 100, but of course not mentioned magics like 3.7
Engine is....well....50 bhp, what you expect...and 218 kilos
Main advantage - price. 6500 Euro basic model, 7500 Euro model with DCT.

No, do not expect reports on how it behaves on Pari-Dakar route
That's still pretty expensive, when you could get a Versys Touring for about 6200.
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Old 11-25-2011, 11:39 AM   #236
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Well, I am fully with you on it.

New KTM Duke 690 for 7500 Euro for pure hooliganism and Versys for 6000 Euro and more "off" Tenere 660 for 6200 Euros max here.
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Old 11-26-2011, 04:11 AM   #237
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There seems to be a lot of interest and speculation about this bike, I've just come back from the press launch and written a review (link below), and I think this could be one of the most significant motorcycles Honda has made since the Fireblade (and I know that sounds rather dramatic!). The reason is, this is the first modern motorcycle engine built entirely to car engine principles - it's pretty much half a Jazz four-cylinder car engine and only revs to 6,500rpm, but it's 50 per cent more fuel efficient than a CBF600. This is motorcycle as utility vehicle, it's like switching to a turbo-diesel after driving petrol cars, some will hate it or not get it, others will sigh with relief!

http://www.ashonbikes.com/content/honda-nc700x-0
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Old 11-26-2011, 05:40 AM   #238
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some will hate it or not get it, others will sigh with relief!
yea and no one will buy it and honda will continue it's downward trajectory in the developed world as it builds bikes people dont want, ha ha
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Old 11-26-2011, 01:17 PM   #239
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This is motorcycle as utility vehicle, it's like switching to a turbo-diesel after driving petrol cars, some will hate it or not get it, others will sigh with relief!

http://www.ashonbikes.com/content/honda-nc700x-0
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Honda’s own research showed that riders typically travel at less than 85mph (140kph) for 90 per cent of the time, and use less than 6,000 revs for 80 per cent of the time.
My own research indicates the same.

The other 10% and 20% of the time I'm giving the bike a bit of stick in the country, I also find that 10% of those times that I am giving it a bit of stick I almost get busted. So 1% of the my total riding time is having a chat to that nice officer.

Seriously, this bike would be interesting in the real world as a commuter. Plenty of people I know, might own a Ducati Aprilia etc and "save it" for a nice day, but the rest of the time are on the old Kawasaki commuting to work.

I know sensible and practical won't get the juices flowing for most people, but it is good in a lot of situations.

And just imagine the range if you stuck a fuel bladder in the "not-the-tank"!!.

It won't live up to Honda's crash standards but that would be cool.

Thanks bikescribe for getting some feedback from a real bike.

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Old 11-26-2011, 04:46 PM   #240
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well I have to say, when I first some some photos of this bike and heard it was a 700cc parallel twin (it's not rehash of the NT700, which is a V-twin), I dismissed this bike - but curiousity kept calling me back, and I must say, the more I learn about this bike, the better I like it. 70mpg? Yeah, baby! I can live with that! and I like the storage in the faux tank area. This is car engine technology applied to the world of motorcycling - and that can only be a good thing. This is the most innovative new bike I have seen in a long time.

I doubt they will bring it to the US, however. I know all my Harley riding buddies would laugh at it. That's ok with me though, as I would be laughing every time we stopped for gas, and their big bikes that cost three times as much will not be able to out perform it...
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