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Old 07-28-2012, 01:28 PM   #2401
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@ y2blade,
Thanks for the write up, but I was wondering, since prior to riding the Honda, you mentioned that you rode the 800GS... What were your impressions on the differences between the two...?

Hi Hank...have a read here (to save me typing it all out again)

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...7&postcount=38

The bikes were VERY different, I knew that before I rode them.

In short:
The 800GS is like a DRZ400S with a bit more power
The NC700X is a well thought out road bike, typical Honda.


Both were good bikes but The NC700X was the one I didn't want to hand back the keys too.
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Old 07-28-2012, 07:10 PM   #2402
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I too think the Fit automatic is a bit of a turd, lousy shifting and jouncy, busy, horrible ride. Otherwise, hey, its great.

But, I was interested in the valve adjustment question for the NC700 series because I thought the engine was from a Fit, which I understand does not require valve adjustments. If it was the same head, and the NC700 had a belt instead of chain drive it would be the all time commuting and forget-about-it sort of bike. I understand chains are not that big of a hassle, (with a center stand) and understand if the head is different, valve inspections/adjustments may be required.

From Wikipedia (not Honda):

The Integra is powered by a single overhead camshaft 670 cc (41 cu in) parallel-twin engine that is essentially the 1.3 L Honda Fit engine chopped in half—it even retains the same bore and stroke dimensions—titled 62˚ forward to provide a low centre of gravity, with near uniform weight distribution.[9][10] The undersquare engine has programmed fuel injection and variable intake valve timing,[11][12] and is tuned to deliver powerful torque in the low- to mid-speed range.[11] The engine was designed to deliver a "pleasant throbbing feel" of a V-twin through the use of a 270˚ crankshaft, which Honda "deliberately designed with a uniaxial primary balancer" even though the primary vibration of the crankshaft could have been balanced perfectly using a biaxial balance shaft.[7]
When the engine family was first introduced there was a video interview with one of the engineers but it is getting harder and harder for me to find it any more because there have been so many new videos about each of the three bikes since then. The motorcycle engine engineers met on a regular basis with the Fit engine engineers but they were merely talks. At no point did they cut a Fit engine in half or any other nonsense.

I don't know why Honda discusses the engine sound so much. I can barely hear the engine most of the time. This may be the first bike I put on a slipon so I can hear it.

Yes guys, I picked it up this morning. More on that later tonight.
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Old 07-28-2012, 08:23 PM   #2403
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I saw an NC700X parked up next to a V Strom and Vicotry Cross Country tonight. Looks good in the flesh.
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Old 07-28-2012, 08:27 PM   #2404
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I took out the manual one today at my Honda dealer and I really liked the bike. Not a long range tourer, but a really nice little bike. I have an 1100 GS and a slant 4 KGT, so pretty tough to compare to anything I've ridden in a long time. And my local dealer has a discount on this bike already. Nice scoot !
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Old 07-28-2012, 09:40 PM   #2405
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Sat on one at Laguna yesterday. Felt great. Loved the ergos on the bike. The first thing I did was grab for the clutch lever and go "huh?" Don't think I'd even give a thought about the DCT but still cool nonetheless. A little disappointed about the single brake caliper up front though.
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Old 07-28-2012, 10:18 PM   #2406
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Sat on one at Laguna yesterday. Felt great. Loved the ergos on the bike. The first thing I did was grab for the clutch lever and go "huh?" Don't think I'd even give a thought about the DCT but still cool nonetheless. A little disappointed about the single brake caliper up front though.
Rode one today and the single rotor up front was super strong. This is a great bike for the price, felt it could have rev'd out a little more but other than that it was great.
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Old 07-29-2012, 04:18 AM   #2407
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I definitely want ABS if I get a new bike. I am interested in the DCT, but what about the DCT causes a drop in both horsepower and gas mileage? I can't see the extra rotating components in the transmission sucking away 3 hp.
I think it's the automatic modes that kill the fuel consumption, as most will
use it in sport mode only (just read an Integra 700 review and it'll do 60mph
in 8,5 seconds in drive mode - read: slower then my 300cc scoot with
malossi multivar) so they maybe wanted to be on the "safe side" declaring
those values.

I have no doubt that it'll do same MPG figures in D mode (riding slow) and/or
in full manual shifting before 3500.

The full auto in D mode will shift to 6th gear at 43-44mph if you're not
accelerating "a lot".
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Old 07-29-2012, 04:21 AM   #2408
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I heard somewhere it takes the NC700X over 5 seconds to reach 60mph. That's a substantial difference.
Local mag had the Integra DCT in for review (comparo with Tmax and SRV850)
and it did 60mph in 6,9 seconds in sport mode, and 8,4 seconds in 'D' mode.

Felt faster to me.
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Old 07-29-2012, 05:00 AM   #2409
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Local mag had the Integra DCT in for review (comparo with Tmax and SRV850)
and it did 60mph in 6,9 seconds in sport mode, and 8,4 seconds in 'D' mode.

Felt faster to me.
same.
The manual I rode did it in around 5secs . it didn't feel slow. it had no problem pulling away from Traffic lights and junctions ahead of everything else, had good overtaking punch too...certainly isn't a slow bike once you ride it properly.

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Ignore the magazine figures and ride one for yourself. I loved it
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Old 07-29-2012, 05:13 AM   #2410
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Does the DCT version launch as aggressively as a clutched bike? Try to wheelie first gear on launch?
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Old 07-29-2012, 07:37 AM   #2411
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Pardon me if I missed it talked about already, but has anyone seen or read anything about SW Motech or similar coming up with some pannier bracket bars for the new Honda soon?

I am liking the price and looks of the bike, but more of a conventional Happy Trails aluminum panniers feller or Pelican Hardigg Storm cases instead of paying for factory baggage. Maybe just me.
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Old 07-29-2012, 09:25 AM   #2412
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Sat on one at Laguna yesterday. Felt great. Loved the ergos on the bike. The first thing I did was grab for the clutch lever and go "huh?" Don't think I'd even give a thought about the DCT but still cool nonetheless. A little disappointed about the single brake caliper up front though.
No worries. Bike tested the 700 and it stopped 70 mph to 0 in 50.5 meters. That figure is squarely in the middle of 600 and 1000cc sportbike numbers. That figure for my ST1300 is 60.7 meters. I think it stops very good, plus less unsprung weight, fewer parts to maintain, one less set of pads when the time comes to replace them.
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Old 07-29-2012, 11:15 AM   #2413
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Pardon me if I missed it talked about already, but has anyone seen or read anything about SW Motech or similar coming up with some pannier bracket bars for the new Honda soon?

I am liking the price and looks of the bike, but more of a conventional Happy Trails aluminum panniers feller or Pelican Hardigg Storm cases instead of paying for factory baggage. Maybe just me.
GIVI has brackets on their U.S. web page: http://www.giviusa.com/My-motorcycle...DA&mo=NC-700-X

Hepco and Becker also has them on their U.K. page: http://www.hepco-and-becker-luggage.co.uk/

Should be more coming as the bike starts selling here. Twisted throttle has a couple items like radiator guard and fender eliminator but does not show any luggage yet.

The NC700 forum has a few pictures of farkels installed.

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Old 07-29-2012, 11:36 AM   #2414
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Due to a dinky fuel tank and single rotor up front I am not buying it. If others do, no worries.
If you ranked the bikes by range in miles and stopping distance instead of the hardware specs, you would find it rates above many bikes with five gallon tanks and double disks.

Value = Quality / Cost. There is nothing wrong with having both cost and performance targets for a product and challenging the product team with finding ingenious solutions to meet both. If it was built with WP suspension, 5-gallon tank, dual radial Brembos, and an 11K redline with twice the horsepower it would have been a higher performance bike. It would also be a KTM 990 SM-T and would cost $14,000. Nothing wrong with that either, but how many do they sell?
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Old 07-29-2012, 11:48 AM   #2415
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This bike fits it's niche and does so nicely, but with all my respect calling design of this bike ingenious by blending performance and costs is serious overstatement of engineering put into it.
As was mentioned before in one of "slag NC700" treads - old Civic was ingenious and no slouch. New one is consumer car. Hornet 600 was ingenious. NC700 swayed to TCO savings and very much match contemporary energy-saving trend.

Which does not make NC700 less than it is.
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