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Old 12-12-2012, 08:07 AM   #3751
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I laughed.
So you did understand that? Good. Perhaps you could explain. I still don't get it. I'd hate to miss a good one.
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Old 12-12-2012, 08:14 AM   #3752
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I fixed your post.
Ah, implant/transplant; got it. My error, though the point remains the same.
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Old 12-12-2012, 08:39 AM   #3753
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Try harder...I'm aware of all that and I may be interested in the bike, as is. I'm waiting for more info and feedback. I'm staying tuned until I've made the decision...I joined a long time ago.
I understand this is feeding the troll, but the weekend psychologist in me has to understand how a mind like this works. How do you talk down to folks in this thread in the same post you say your moving on--implying you're taking the high road and that all of us are the strange ones/"bubba"s as you stated? If you are WAITING for more info and feedback and STAYING TUNED, why do you keep jumping in discussing how Honda didn't make the perfect bike for you, while there are so many satisfied customers here, then calling us names when we defend our bike? Kinda like kicking someone in the shins and then saying their being defensive when they get upset with you. Please realize there is a large difference between adding your opinions for what your dream bike would be and how close this bike is, vs talking down about the bike (and Honda) because it's not the bike for you right now.

Notice I didn't call you names. Please move on, and save some electrons for when you have something useful to add. I'm sure you'll have to jump in to get the last word, as this has been your MO so far, and this is the internet...where arguments are won by who gets in the last word. I refuse to ignore you at this point, as I'm a natural devil's advocate and think one of these days I'll forget your screen name and read a post that's actually beneficial, constructive to the thread.
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Old 12-12-2012, 08:49 AM   #3754
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How do you talk down to folks in this thread in the same post you say your moving on--implying you're taking the high road and that all of us are the strange ones/"bubba"s as you stated?
Passive–aggressive behavior
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Old 12-12-2012, 08:52 AM   #3755
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Like I said...weekend psychologist...still have a lot to learn!
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Old 12-12-2012, 08:59 AM   #3756
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like i said...weekend psychologist...still have a lot to learn!
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Old 12-12-2012, 09:13 AM   #3757
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For anyone who compared the NC700X to a new WeeStrom, what made you choose one over the other?
V-twin engines are great till you have to work on them. The Honda twin is leaned forward and access is very good, with threaded adjusters. Open the fake trunk, and a large cover comes out with 2 fasteners and the battery is right there. Another cover above the battery and the air cleaner is exposed. The feel of the machine is very light compared to the DL. As a dual sport rider the V-Strom is just not what I would ever consider for any off road riding, same for the NC, so that is not a thing I consider for either machine. The 21 liter storage in the tank is so useful. Like the Suzuki, you can get panniers from the major aftermarket companies. When you look over the machine it is just finished great. Love the wheels for looks and ease of cleaning, especially the single disk front. Love the upright sitting position, and the bars. The 6 speed tranny is one of the best I have used with ratios perfect for the engine. Within its rpm range of 6500 rpm's it actually makes more HP and torque than the V-Strom. You have to rev the V-Strom above 6500 rpm's to find any advantage in HP.

Things I don't like. Short fenders, but they seem to do the job, and I may add extension to these. I'm putting on a few more miles to see if it is an issue. It's to quiet. My refrigerator makes more noise than the exhaust, but I can live without that nice twin exhaust note. Front forks seem to let you feel all the bad roads more than I like. Rear shock seems OK. This doesn't seem to effect the handling when laid over in a corner at speed. Plan to change fluid weight to see if this helps.

I'm not finding anything that has to be changed on the NC. I am adding a center stand. And now just the wait for better weather to really put on some miles.

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Old 12-12-2012, 09:15 AM   #3758
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I understand this is feeding the troll, but the weekend psychologist in me has to understand how a mind like this works. How do you talk down to folks in this thread in the same post you say your moving on--implying you're taking the high road and that all of us are the strange ones/"bubba"s as you stated? If you are WAITING for more info and feedback and STAYING TUNED, why do you keep jumping in discussing how Honda didn't make the perfect bike for you, while there are so many satisfied customers here, then calling us names when we defend our bike? Kinda like kicking someone in the shins and then saying their being defensive when they get upset with you. Please realize there is a large difference between adding your opinions for what your dream bike would be and how close this bike is, vs talking down about the bike (and Honda) because it's not the bike for you right now.

Notice I didn't call you names. Please move on, and save some electrons for when you have something useful to add. I'm sure you'll have to jump in to get the last word, as this has been your MO so far, and this is the internet...where arguments are won by who gets in the last word. I refuse to ignore you at this point, as I'm a natural devil's advocate and think one of these days I'll forget your screen name and read a post that's actually beneficial, constructive to the thread.
You actually seem reasonably earnest, so here you go: I made a comment that was taken all wrong and I was accused and talked down to. I made a light-hearted response of my intent w/what I thought was some casual humor to clarify. It was, again, met w/more condescension. So, I responded in kind w/my evaluation of the situation and offered to "press on" in good faith. Apparently some took that to mean I was leaving. Their error.

"(People) tend to find what they're looking for" and so you folks have. "Bubba" wasn't meant in the least way as negative. I use it all the time, family included. Furthermore, I've made no entries here since this started, except in direct response to another. That is far from "jumping in discussing how Honda didn't make the perfect bike for (me)" (Did I get that quote just right?). And I'm far from looking for my perfect dream bike. I am hoping for a more ideal, all-round, practical/economical, public road bike. I shall continue to do so until I'm satisfied.

We actually had peace there until you guys started back up. I was only responding to folks asking questions about my opinion, outlook, whatever. So don't harp on me for the perpetuation of where we are. You guys go on w/your general content, as will I. Or, keep bringing it up and we'll carry on this way. I'm up for either. I have a little psychologist in me, as well...

Now, after yet another honest explanation, I'm sure it will be just "whining," again. So be it. I'll take care of my end of things. Bikes and/or people, it's all good fun. Your choice. Another opportunity knocking. How will they respond? The suspense is killing me.
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Old 12-12-2012, 09:20 AM   #3759
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I have a little psychologist in me, as well...


That's just too much info.
Let's move on.
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Old 12-12-2012, 09:46 AM   #3760
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Thanks Art, all good points. I've liked the NC since I first sat on one at the Motorcycle show last February. Although it's easier to do valve adjustments on the Honda I assume it will require them more often? I'm with you regarding the minuscule fenders. In fact I'm sure their must be an industry wide conspiracy against fenders, perhaps the AFC Anti Fender Coalition? BMW would be a charter member!
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Old 12-12-2012, 09:52 AM   #3761
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. Front forks seem to let you feel all the bad roads more than I like. Rear shock seems OK. This doesn't seem to effect the handling when laid over in a corner at speed. Plan to change fluid weight to see if this helps.
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I don't think you will like the result with thinner fluid. It is already quite thin and the low speed damping would be less controlled. What the system lacks is separate high and low speed compression damping circuits. Mine has heavier fluid but still handles the fast changes like square edged bumps (concrete highway expansion joints for instance) much better than stock. You might not be able to find lighter fluid, in which case you'd need to drill out the control orifices to get a similar result.
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Old 12-12-2012, 09:54 AM   #3762
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That's just too much info.
Let's move on.
Disappointing...
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:15 AM   #3763
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V-twin engines are great till you have to work on them. The Honda twin is leaned forward and access is very good, with threaded adjusters. Open the fake trunk, and a large cover comes out with 2 fasteners and the battery is right there. Another cover above the battery and the air cleaner is exposed. The feel of the machine is very light compared to the DL. As a dual sport rider the V-Strom is just not what I would ever consider for any off road riding, same for the NC, so that is not a thing I consider for either machine. The 21 liter storage in the tank is so useful. Like the Suzuki, you can get panniers from the major aftermarket companies. When you look over the machine it is just finished great. Love the wheels for looks and ease of cleaning, especially the single disk front. Love the upright sitting position, and the bars. The 6 speed tranny is one of the best I have used with ratios perfect for the engine. Within its rpm range of 6500 rpm's it actually makes more HP and torque than the V-Strom. You have to rev the V-Strom above 6500 rpm's to find any advantage in HP.

Things I don't like. Short fenders, but they seem to do the job, and I may add extension to these. I'm putting on a few more miles to see if it is an issue. It's to quiet. My refrigerator makes more noise than the exhaust, but I can live without that nice twin exhaust note. Front forks seem to let you feel all the bad roads more than I like. Rear shock seems OK. This doesn't seem to effect the handling when laid over in a corner at speed. Plan to change fluid weight to see if this helps.

I'm not finding anything that has to be changed on the NC. I am adding a center stand. And now just the wait for better weather to really put on some miles.

Art

That was the very question i have been pondering. Thank you for sharing ... the WeeStrom and the NC700X are the two i am debating on to replace the Concours 14 with.
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:18 AM   #3764
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I'm with you regarding the minuscule fenders. In fact I'm sure their must be an industry wide conspiracy against fenders, perhaps the AFC Anti Fender Coalition? BMW would be a charter member!
It’s an engineering decision. Performance of all systems is enhanced by allowing road crud to be thrown all over the front of the engine, the oil cooler, the radiator, etc. The concept may be further explored by an analysis of thermodynamics......wait... no that’s not right.... umm......damn stylists.
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:29 AM   #3765
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It’s an engineering decision. Performance of all systems is enhanced by allowing road crud to be thrown all over the front of the engine, the oil cooler, the radiator, etc. The concept may be further explored by an analysis of thermodynamics......wait... no that’s not right.... umm......damn stylists.
It is the same rationale they used for the shape of the seat.
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