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Old 12-23-2012, 04:00 AM   #3841
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You just continue to impress Mr Kip....What is the matter with riding your GS?

A parts bin bike by definition is one that shares major components with other bikes in a manufacturer's lineup. The Honda NC700s share nothing perhaps switchgear with any other bike in Honda's lineup. Have you done any research at all besides reading a few posts on the internet and listening your novice girlfriends opinion? 10,000 miles on an EX - that is like looking at a baseball game through a knot hole in the outfield fence and thinking an expert on the game. Another wanker come to visit and complain this bike isn't this or that and really is a good beginners bike if that is what you want. Please.

The NC is a brand new bike - a global bike but perhaps parts availability is perhaps not good in Central and South America yet. There are better choices for an extended trip in the second world but if Nick Sanders can do it........why do wankers post endless threads about the best bike to hop a curb on the way to Starbucks and think they are offroading?

That picture is a week's worth of stuff? Maybe you need to pare the down to what you really need to take. That is a load of crap for a week.

Your girlfriend is used to unstrapping a tank bag to fill up and you are used to the fussy gas filler on the GS so the two of you at least have something to compare this to: With a couple of Rok Straps a dry bag is click-click off with the bag; set the dry bag across the "tank" or on top of the top box or a pannier; lift the seat and fill 2.5 to 3.5 gallons; lower the seat; place the bag in place and click-click two buckles; ride off while the two of you are still screwing around at the pump.

This is a weeks worth of stuff:
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Old 12-23-2012, 05:03 AM   #3842
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Along with panniers, which I have not decided which brand to go with, I have found that a tank bag fits on the fake tank nicely, and I use a back pack, carried empty for shopping along the way. I'm not much into camping, first choice a motel, so one small white-water bag with a bivi tent bag and pad. The riding is what I bought the motorcycle for.

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Old 12-23-2012, 07:09 AM   #3843
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What is the matter with riding your GS?
In a word; Ostioarthritis. I'm only 56, but have the body of a 90 year old. I love the GS on the road, with the Russell seat and all it's the closest thing to a Goldwing or (even an FJR) I'd ever consider owning. But getting the big girl back on her feet in the mud or uneven footing is getting near impossible, and the GF ain't that much help. I'm hoping to go much lighter.


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The NC is a brand new bike - a global bike but perhaps parts availability is perhaps not good in Central and South America yet. There are better choices for an extended trip in the second world but if Nick Sanders can do it........why do wankers post endless threads about the best bike to hop a curb on the way to Starbucks and think they are offroading?
Good point, and I understand what a parts bin bike is and thought the engine, transmission, forks and brakes were all pre existing. No, I haven't researched the bike yet. That's what I'm doing here. I really loved the all new CB500X, but have rulled it out for that very reason.

My novice girlfriend has logged over 20k miles in the 2 years she's been riding, and spent a full day on 7-8 mid-sized dual sports and naked bikes including SV650, DL650, Verseys, ER650n, F650GS(twin) and G650GS. She also has 30 years of track days in Triumph, Porsche, and Miata, so she understands torque curve and power band. She compared the NC 700 engine performance with a G650GS
As for "wankers" and "threads about the best bike to hop a curb on the way to Starbucks", perhaps you could shed some light on that, since you're the one saying the weenie bike is the best thing since sliced bread.
Thanks. You've helped me decide against the NC. Although it really is innovative, it's not the bike I want to be seen in front of starbucks on.
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Old 12-23-2012, 07:40 AM   #3844
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...But like I said bike rode and handled fine, but in my book this would be the PERFECT beginner bike or ladies bike. Any experienced rider that has any significant seat time will get BORED with this bike FAST. Just my opinion.
That is not an opinion, it is a judgement. It would be an opinion had you said that YOU would get bored with it. I have over 500,000 miles and 45 years on motorcycles and I am not bored by the bike. So, your judgement (masquerading as an opinion) is incorrect.

Everyone ain't the same, ole long dude. We don't all fit in one box.
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Old 12-23-2012, 07:53 AM   #3845
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Well said Bemmer. I have hundreds of thousands of miles under my belt also. I have owned over 50 bikes (must say many were off road machines) in 55 years of riding and at this point in my life I am LOVING the NC. We are in FL. for the winter and it is ridden every day for just about all my transportation needs.
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Old 12-23-2012, 07:59 AM   #3846
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That is not an opinion, it is a judgement. It would be an opinion had you said that YOU would get bored with it. I have over 500,000 miles and 45 years on motorcycles and I am not bored by the bike. So, your judgement (masquerading as an opinion) is incorrect.

Everyone ain't the same, ole long dude. We don't all fit in one box.
Wise words there
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Old 12-23-2012, 03:47 PM   #3847
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In a word; Ostioarthritis. I'm only 56, but have the body of a 90 year old. I love the GS on the road, with the Russell seat and all it's the closest thing to a Goldwing or (even an FJR) I'd ever consider owning. But getting the big girl back on her feet in the mud or uneven footing is getting near impossible, and the GF ain't that much help. I'm hoping to go much lighter.



Good point, and I understand what a parts bin bike is and thought the engine, transmission, forks and brakes were all pre existing. No, I haven't researched the bike yet. That's what I'm doing here. I really loved the all new CB500X, but have rulled it out for that very reason.

My novice girlfriend has logged over 20k miles in the 2 years she's been riding, and spent a full day on 7-8 mid-sized dual sports and naked bikes including SV650, DL650, Verseys, ER650n, F650GS(twin) and G650GS. She also has 30 years of track days in Triumph, Porsche, and Miata, so she understands torque curve and power band. She compared the NC 700 engine performance with a G650GS
As for "wankers" and "threads about the best bike to hop a curb on the way to Starbucks", perhaps you could shed some light on that, since you're the one saying the weenie bike is the best thing since sliced bread.
Thanks. You've helped me decide against the NC. Although it really is innovative, it's not the bike I want to be seen in front of starbucks on.
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Somehow I knew you didn't really want to discuss how owners solve how to strap a dry bag across the seat.
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Old 12-23-2012, 03:56 PM   #3848
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Somehow I knew you didn't really want to discuss how owners solve how to strap a dry bag across the seat.
Sure riders can deal with it. Nevertheless Honda did make a silly mistake hiding the gas cap under the seat, rather than positioning on the right side. Don't you think?
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Old 12-23-2012, 03:57 PM   #3849
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Sure riders can deal with it. Nevertheless Honda did make a silly mistake hiding the gas cap under the seat, rather than positioning on the right side. Don't you think?
Probably cheaper to do this way.
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Old 12-23-2012, 04:24 PM   #3850
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Sure riders can deal with it. Nevertheless Honda did make a silly mistake hiding the gas cap under the seat, rather than positioning on the right side. Don't you think?
I've said it multiple times here before, and I'll say it again. I've always looked forward to stretching my legs a bit when I stop for gas. If, (BIG IF), it was a big deal to unstrap the bag for a few minutes, I'd enjoy the extra few minutes to stretch my legs when stopping for gas. But as others have mentioned, any luggage strapped to the top could be strapped TO the seat, not around the bike. This would allow the bag to stay strapped to the seat, and reduce time at stops if those couple of extra minutes were that important.
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Old 12-23-2012, 04:34 PM   #3851
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I first learned of the NC only last week as I was looking for a smaller alternative to my ST1300. Having previously owned a wee, I was leaning back in that direction. Traded for the NC yesterday. Exactly what a motorcycle should be if you are me .
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Old 12-23-2012, 04:58 PM   #3852
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My bike is the white KLR. The Honda belongs to one of my employees. The Honda is his first bike, he is now using it to commute, saving a ton of money in gas as his other vehicle is a 4 wheel drive P/U.
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Old 12-23-2012, 06:56 PM   #3853
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Sure riders can deal with it. Nevertheless Honda did make a silly mistake hiding the gas cap under the seat, rather than positioning on the right side. Don't you think?
Honda designed the tank to meet their own standard of crashworthiness which required metal construction instead of plastic and a secure cap with the entire tank inside of the frame. Similar under seat plastic tanks have sponsons that protrude outside of the perimeter of the frame and have plastic gas fills that are the first thing to take a hit in a crash or a fall on that side. This design did not meet Honda's standard. It is what it is. No bike is perfect.

Speaking of silly mistakes manufacturers make ...... what do you think of the plastic quick disconnects for the fuel lines on your GS? Nothing like a $20,000 bike filling your boot with gas while riding down the road. Replace yours yet?
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Old 12-23-2012, 07:57 PM   #3854
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]Honda designed the tank to meet their own standard of crashworthiness which required metal construction[/B] instead of plastic and a secure cap with the entire tank inside of the frame. Similar under seat plastic tanks have sponsons that protrude outside of the perimeter of the frame and have plastic gas fills that are the first thing to take a hit in a crash or a fall on that side. This design did not meet Honda's standard. It is what it is. No bike is perfect.

Speaking of silly mistakes manufacturers make ...... what do you think of the plastic quick disconnects for the fuel lines on your GS? Nothing like a $20,000 bike filling your boot with gas while riding down the road. Replace yours yet?
I thought I wouldn't like the tank under the seat, but now I like it a lot. No one has access to my tank unless they have a key.
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Old 12-23-2012, 08:47 PM   #3855
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Somehow I knew you didn't really want to discuss how owners solve how to strap a dry bag across the seat.
Um...No. that was a serious question. At the show in Long Beach there were quite a few people who wanted to see under the seat, but no key available.
I'm wondering; Did you "know" this in the same way you know about "a fussy gas filler on the GS"? I ride up to the pump, take the key from the ignition and put it in the tank lock and turn. Then take the card from my sleeve pocket and slide it, and pump gas, unless I dismount, start the pump and walk into the minimart. Doesn't everybody on a modern bike do it that way? Oh! That's right. You have to get off the bike and take it apart. Sorry.

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I thought I wouldn't like the tank under the seat, but now I like it a lot. No one has access to my tank unless they have a key.
Um...most modern bikes have a locking tank. I don't think hiding the filler cap under the seat was a good idea at all, but it's the ideal location for centralizing mass. It makes the bike feel lighter and helps it corner better. I just struggle with the idea of digging for it. Is that pillion seat required to protect anything from the weather, or can you "loose it"?
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