New 2012 Honda NC700X 700cc Parallel Twin!

[showkey]

Originally Posted by dduelin

It keeps coming up so it must be important to people. It being a need for more horsepower but I don't understand why it's needed when it is at odds with the design goals of this motorcycle. If the people buying this bike wanted more horsepower there are what, six or eight direct rivals in the middleweight class all with more horsepower out of the box. Honda choose a different direction but some folks just don't see that.

+ 10 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Plus any mods would likely change the sweet flat torque "curve" the stock bike has. Most of those other bikes need to rev to 10,500 to make the extra HP, the NC engine design is not based on rpm........it is based on .long stroke and torque.

[bobobob]

Originally Posted by Cortez

That would be a 20% (and more) increase.

PC V is a nice toy, but it's no turbo.
I don't think you'd get over 4-5hp.

Never thought of a fuel controller as a toy.
And yes, it's no turbo. Whatever.

Otay. lets have fun with math.

PCV 4bhp
Can 3bhp
Airbox shennaigans 3bhp
ECU flash-+500rpm 2bhp
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12bhp +/-1bhp

Plus 48bhp stock = around 60bhp
No it's not a turbo increase in power. Never said it was.

That plus a 15 tooth CS would get you close to Wee Strom acceleration. Or not.
It's not a big deal, but it is what it is. Like I said, a nice boost for a great bike.

[cls]

Originally Posted by dduelin

It keeps coming up so it must be important to people. It being a need for more horsepower but I don't understand why it's needed when it is at odds with the design goals of this motorcycle. If the people buying this bike wanted more horsepower there are what, six or eight direct rivals in the middleweight class all with more horsepower out of the box. Honda choose a different direction but some folks just don't see that.

Some folks see that and still want to see if they can make this bike a better average of what they want. I'd love to see what tweaks would do to power, acceleration, feel, handling, economy, etc. Every bike, IMO, is only a good place to start. Start at the best starting point you can find for your goal and see where you can go. Different folks look for different things and that's cool. I'm interested in exhaust, suspension, and engine/FI/ECU mods myself. If we can get more performance and fun w/o killing economy, that'd be sweet.

[Cortez]

Originally Posted by bobobob

Never thought of a fuel controller as a toy.
And yes, it's no turbo. Whatever.

Otay. lets have fun with math.

PCV 4bhp
Can 3bhp
Airbox shennaigans 3bhp
ECU flash-+500rpm 2bhp
---------------------------------------
12bhp +/-1bhp

Plus 48bhp stock = around 60bhp
No it's not a turbo increase in power. Never said it was.

That plus a 15 tooth CS would get you close to Wee Strom acceleration. Or not.
It's not a big deal, but it is what it is. Like I said, a nice boost for a great bike.

I wasn't aware that the 'PC' adds power.
It just makes the delivery different, removes the flat spots etc.

Even 3hp (edit: for exhaust) is IMHO optimistic on the NC, and there's no "extra juice" beyond
the current red line, it's been discussed so many times in this thread already.

3hp airbox? Again optimistic.

No way.

[turbodieseli4i6]

Originally Posted by Cortez

I wasn't aware that the 'PC' adds power.
It just makes the delivery different, removes the flat spots etc.

Even 3hp is IMHO optimistic on the NC, and there's no "extra juice" beyond
the current red line, it's been discussed so many times in this thread already.

3hp airbox? Again optimistic.

No way.

+1 Very optimistic.

[bobobob]

Originally Posted by Cortez

I wasn't aware that the 'PC' adds power.
It just makes the delivery different, removes the flat spots etc.

Even 3hp (edit: for exhaust) is IMHO optimistic on the NC, and there's no "extra juice" beyond
the current red line, it's been discussed so many times in this thread already.

3hp airbox? Again optimistic.

No way.

Seriously? What do you think it does, improve exhaust smell?
What do you think going from an EPA mandated strangled 14.3 AFR to an optimum 13.4 AFR does?

The dyno charts I've seen show around a 5% power increase for the PCV alone.
http://www.holeshot.com/dynocharts/images/c14_dyno.jpg
On the 48.5bhp NC700 that would be around 2.5bhp increase to 51bhp just for the PCV.
Of course everybody knows that the best results are achieved when you do air, fuel and exhaust upgrades together.

Look, if uncorking a bike isn't for you fine. You know what's best for you.
But for those who want some more get up and go, it's there.
Different strokes for different folks, doncha know.

[larryboy]

Originally Posted by bobobob

But for those who want some more get up and go, it's there.

Sure there is more power to be made, but it's flawed thinking to add all the supposed gains into a nice round 12 hp number. Adding power gains together is flawed, yes, they made those gains individually, but in my experience all of those together isn't simple addition. Looking at the mods all together I'd estimate maybe a 6 HP gain, maybe.

[bobobob]

Originally Posted by larryboy

Sure there is more power to be made, but it's flawed thinking to add all the supposed gains into a nice round 12 hp number. Adding power gains together is flawed, yes, they made those gains individually, but in my experience all of those together isn't simple addition. Looking at the mods all together I'd estimate maybe a 6 HP gain, maybe.

Geez what a bunch of nitpickers.
Fine we'll split the difference. Call it 9bhp.
Did you idjits miss the "maybe" part of my ill advised post?
Is there a hypen in anal retentive?
Carry on.

[larryboy]

Originally Posted by bobobob

Geez what a bunch of nitpickers.
Fine we'll split the difference. Call it 9bhp.
Did you idjits miss the "maybe" part of my ill advised post?
Is there a hypen in anal retentive?
Carry on.

Holy hell brother, I was on your side!!

I keep eyeing a turbo I have sitting here, the CBR250R cringes when I approach.

[bobobob]

Boost is good.

[NortwestRider]

So any REAL world mpg's numbers out there??.I just got the go ahead tonight yo sell my Vstrom 1000 and get a NC if I want to.


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[larryboy]

Originally Posted by Kart22

How are the test articles obtaining 47 mpg at 70 mph?

I just finished a 200 mile ride from Savannah to Daytona and got 67.42, with my glove box loaded and doing 75 mph in a headwind. I'm also 6'3".

Maybe those weren't fully broken in?

Originally Posted by NortwestRider

So any REAL world mpg's numbers out there??

Just saw that report yesterday. I'm still on the fence since my 77 mpg estimated CBR250R only returns 50 mpg with me on it. I'd hate to drop 7k on the 700x and only get 42 mpg or something silly. I wonder if anybody is renting them yet?

[turbodieseli4i6]

Originally Posted by NortwestRider

So any REAL world mpg's numbers out there??.I just got the go ahead tonight yo sell my Vstrom 1000 and get a NC if I want to.


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Between the warm up and faster riding, my mileage has dropped this winter. I know the CalSci windshield and luggage didn't help either.
When it warms up, I expect it to be in the 70-75 mpg range again.
No tank under under 50 mpg mpg yet, I can live with it.

http://www.fuelly.com/driver/turbodieseli4i6/nc700x

[NortwestRider]

I commute 40 miles a day,year round.My commute is 60% freeway and 40% stop and go.I average about 37 mpg on my DL1000.We are riding up to Deadhorse in June and getting 60+ would save me over $250 just on that trip ( I can get 42 mpg's max on the DL ).


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[turbodieseli4i6]

Originally Posted by NortwestRider

I commute 40 miles a day,year round.My commute is 60% freeway and 40% stop and go.I average about 37 mpg on my DL1000.We are riding up to Deadhorse in June and getting 60+ would save me over $250 just on that trip ( I can get 42 mpg's max on the DL ).


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I also commute year around(barring ice/snow) I saved 230 gallons in fuel over my pick-up. That's close to a grand so far.
I convert the saved fuel dollars to my NCX expenses, luggage and gear.
I still spend about the same money, but I have something to show for it this way.