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Old 07-09-2013, 05:48 PM   #496
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I'm new to trials (on an actual trials bike) but have been riding for 45+ years both off and on road. As with all sports both motorized and otherwise the future lies with our youth (or at least the younger guys). I feel that the age classes of the bikes should be advanced as the newer bikes get older... it only makes sense. The rules don't need to be changed every year, bring in newer bikes every two to three years to keep the younger guys interested.
Younger guys who are coming into the vintage trials scene really don't want to ride bikes that are twice as old as they are in order to compete. As was said previously... We want to compete on the bikes of our youth not the bikes our fathers rode... same goes for the younger guys coming into the fold.
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Old 07-10-2013, 01:38 AM   #497
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You made me think back of how long ago I started vintage trials. 1989 was 24 years ago. My BSA B40 was 24 years old then. So it sounds perfectly logical that motorcycles from '89 should be more than old enough now.
What everyone is fighting within AHRMA is that the people that started it wanted to preserve their early years on a motorcycle. Unfortunately they have all gotten too old to ride at any level, so their motorcycles are put back. Now a younger generation comes up and wants to ride the motorcycles of their youth, but the older guys don't want to let their idealized memory's fall to the wayside, so they fight false tooth and nail to prevent the newer stuff from being used.
Just a changing of the guard thing. Time will fix everything.

That seems pretty much spot on to me! If AHRMA continue to promote the idea of over 70 riders competing on rigid bikes, then I guess its only a matter of time before someone sets up a rival organisation to cater for younger riders, on newer bikes................
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Old 07-10-2013, 05:26 AM   #498
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You made me think back of how long ago I started vintage trials. 1989 was 24 years ago. My BSA B40 was 24 years old then. So it sounds perfectly logical that motorcycles from '89 should be more than old enough now.
What everyone is fighting within AHRMA is that the people that started it wanted to preserve their early years on a motorcycle. Unfortunately they have all gotten too old to ride at any level, so their motorcycles are put back. Now a younger generation comes up and wants to ride the motorcycles of their youth, but the older guys don't want to let their idealized memory's fall to the wayside, so they fight false tooth and nail to prevent the newer stuff from being used.
Just a changing of the guard thing. Time will fix everything.
I just hope there is enough time.
These last few posts make a lot of sense.
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Old 07-10-2013, 07:50 AM   #499
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That seems pretty much spot on to me! If AHRMA continue to promote the idea of over 70 riders competing on rigid bikes, then I guess its only a matter of time before someone sets up a rival organisation to cater for younger riders, on newer bikes................
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Old 07-10-2013, 10:34 AM   #500
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What everyone is fighting within AHRMA is that the people that started it wanted to preserve their early years on a motorcycle. Unfortunately they have all gotten too old to ride at any level, so their motorcycles are put back. Now a younger generation comes up and wants to ride the motorcycles of their youth, but the older guys don't want to let their idealized memory's fall to the wayside, so they fight false tooth and nail to prevent the newer stuff from being used.
A while back I was contacted by one of the "old guard" riders who wanted help organizing a event for "proper" vintage trials bikes! Translation, no Japanese or later twin shocks I expect. My response was basically, who was going to ride this event, me and the one other guy who comes out with a Triumph Cub? That opportunity passed 15 years ago and the reality is we have had no trouble accomodating pre-65 type and much later bikes at events. Another reality has been that guys who do come out with older bikes tend to be fairly "handy" with them and will generally ride a more difficult line then a novice on an SWM or TY! Three or Four lines will cover the bases.

It's really not an "either/or" thing, but that makes for a good excuse to support any bias. I was exposed to enough of that BS back in the early days of riding vintage events (on my Honda TL) to not perpetuate it once the shoe was on the other foot!
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Old 07-10-2013, 11:29 AM   #501
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I wonder when the first Observed Trials in the USA were held. USA championships only date back to 1972 and I see El Trials results back to 1970.
Anybody know?
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Old 07-10-2013, 03:36 PM   #502
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I can remember going to local trials in the mid sixty's. I also remember my uncle winning a FIM North American Championship that Bill Grapevine put on in the early- mid sixty's. Sorry I was just a little kid back then, but I do remember the big cup.
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Old 07-10-2013, 03:55 PM   #503
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That seems pretty much spot on to me! If AHRMA continue to promote the idea of over 70 riders competing on rigid bikes, then I guess its only a matter of time before someone sets up a rival organisation to cater for younger riders, on newer bikes................

At this point it feels like everyone just wants to bash AHRMA. I doubt excluding late model twin shocks has anything to do with lack of young folks participating.
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Old 07-10-2013, 04:21 PM   #504
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At this point it feels like everyone just wants to bash AHRMA. I doubt excluding late model twin shocks has anything to do with lack of young folks participating.
Not bashing, just a different view of what we should include in vintage trials. And what type/difficulty of sections we want to ride. I wish AHRMA all the best, the vintage trials community is too small as it is and as far as I am concerned I want everyone to succeed.
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Old 07-10-2013, 04:57 PM   #505
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I'm not bashing AHRMA in any way. I was one of the first members of AHRMA. I worked my butt off for vintage trials for 15 years and then watched it drop off of the map because of not keeping up with it's market.
The first thing to remember is that trials in itself is a tiny sport, and vintage trials is a tiny subset of that. It isn't ever going to be big, but it can be self sustaining. The events must follow the customers, if more modern machinery is what the customers want to ride, I say open it up to them. I know that people say that the sections will have to get harder to challenge the bikes. I say phooey, most riders aren't that good in the first place, and I can lay out a section with 6 lines without too much trouble, just a few more splits and take some angles away from the higher lines.
Sorry, I didn't start this to rile people up. I just thought that someone would like to have a glimpse of what the mindset of the inside was like.
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Old 07-10-2013, 06:06 PM   #506
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I say phooey, most riders aren't that good in the first place
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Old 07-10-2013, 06:49 PM   #507
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Phooey, Old Geezer and company set some very technical sections which got plenty of points out of me last weekend. If it would of rained while I was still out it would of been damn hard!
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It did rain on me, and yes, it WAS damn hard. But it sure beat the heck out if having to do something worse with your Saturday afternoon like play golf! Thanks John, Dan, & Bob!
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Old 07-11-2013, 01:23 AM   #510
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At this point it feels like everyone just wants to bash AHRMA. I doubt excluding late model twin shocks has anything to do with lack of young folks participating.

If Walmart for instance, sold products that no one wanted, is it likely they would still be in business? Its a fact of life that organisers putting on trials in which no one wants to compete, isnt likely to be commercially viable, or to attract new riders to the sport.
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