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Old 02-28-2012, 11:43 AM   #1501
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As for Tall rounders and the UK - the question shouldn't be "Why do we ride them?", it should be "Why don't more of us ride them?".
There are now nearly 70 million people living here, all in an area about the size of Texas. Speed cameras are a part of life. Fuel is bastard expensive. The age demographic of Joe Biker is 46 +.
I still can't figure why anyone still buys pure sports bikes over here - but that's just me.
Most guys have come to big Adv type bikes due to a process of logical elimination. The new Tiger looks to have all the boxes ticked and will more than likely have a waiting list. Not many mfgs can say that at this time.
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Old 02-28-2012, 11:52 AM   #1502
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As for Tall rounders and the UK - the question shouldn't be "Why do we ride them?", it should be "Why don't more of us ride them?".
There are now nearly 70 million people living here, all in an area about the size of Texas. Speed cameras are a part of life. Fuel is bastard expensive. The age demographic of Joe Biker is 46 +.
I still can't figure why anyone still buys pure sports bikes over here - but that's just me.
Most guys have come to big Adv type bikes due to a process of logical elimination. The new Tiger looks to have all the boxes ticked and will more than likely have a waiting list. Not many mfgs can say that at this time.
Personally, I think my Tigger is the best bike I have ever owned in 30+ years of riding. I too cannot understand the fascination with sports bikes (either here or in the UK/Europe). These kinds of DS/ADV bikes have a great riding position and can go plenty fast enough for my meagre skills (and my license) will allow with the plus point that I can do a bit of dirt now and again and it's also great on the shitty frost-heave type roads we have in New England.

I am very happy with my 800 and I personally I don't need the extra grunt etc. the 1200 would give me - I don't do 2 up for example. If I want stupid scarey fast, I ride my Husky in the dirt or I hop on my Speed Triple.

Bottom line, there's really no bad bikes these days, we are all spoiled for choice and Charlie and Ewan have a lot to answer for
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Old 02-28-2012, 12:00 PM   #1503
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Yup. Agreed on all points.
I should add that MCN - UK, have a big piece on the new Explorer tomorrow - and a spy shot of a heavily updated Tiger 1050, which they have christened the Tiger Sport. Hinckley are most certainly on a roll..

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/Ne...n-february-29/
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Old 02-28-2012, 12:47 PM   #1504
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Yup. Agreed on all points.
I should add that MCN - UK, have a big piece on the new Explorer tomorrow - and a spy shot of a heavily updated Tiger 1050, which they have christened the Tiger Sport. Hinckley are most certainly on a roll..

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/Ne...n-february-29/
Some ADVers doubted that the Sprint iterations were to be deleted, and the Tiger 1050 was to become Triumph's 'sport tourer'.

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Old 02-28-2012, 12:54 PM   #1505
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Tell me Murcury as I have obviously missed something here..

What is the point of a GS over and RT in the sunny British Isles, if all that happens is a ride down back lanes between pubs and high speed races down freeways.

Why not just produce Tourers? What is the actual practical point of these bikes over there?
Um..

- crappy roads
- good roads in crappy places
- legal lane-splitting
- good road presence in congested and low-light areas
- luggage that isn't 10 feet wide
- crash/drop durability
- home servicing, if you like
- lack of hi-tech, but lots of usability
- fast enough
- Scotland
- Europe on the doorstep
- climate

Most UK ADV riders come from sports bikes, so ADV bikes are a step sideways to cope with what we have. Tbh ADV bikes are the perfect versatile bikes for our country (I might be wrong, but I think the GS series in the UK sells more than any other market except for Germany), whereas Tourers are heavier, more expensive to service, and cost more in a drop or crash.

From what I can see - and it's a gross generalisation of course - many USA riders come to ADV bikes from cruisers (used to comfort) or dirt-bikes (need better street manners).
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Old 02-28-2012, 01:09 PM   #1506
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Personally, I think my Tigger is the best bike I have ever owned in 30+ years of riding. I too cannot understand the fascination with sports bikes (either here or in the UK/Europe). These kinds of DS/ADV bikes have a great riding position and can go plenty fast enough for my meagre skills (and my license) will allow with the plus point that I can do a bit of dirt now and again and it's also great on the shitty frost-heave type roads we have in New England.

I am very happy with my 800 and I personally I don't need the extra grunt etc. the 1200 would give me - I don't do 2 up for example. If I want stupid scarey fast, I ride my Husky in the dirt or I hop on my Speed Triple.

Bottom line, there's really no bad bikes these days, we are all spoiled for choice and Charlie and Ewan have a lot to answer for
Yourself and Paul are spot on; insurance costs, speed traps, mpg, congestion, and tiered licences (which, tbh, I tend to agree with) have killed the former generation of 18-year old sports riders who would gravitate to the big 600 and 1000 class sportsbikes.

A good friend of mine, aged 49 and with 11-years of NCD, was recently refused insurance on his GSXR-1000. He was gobsmacked.

Plus a lot of older sportsbike riders I know have had friends killed. MSL this month says that deaths on rural corners are down 43%, but collisions with cars in cities are up.
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Old 02-28-2012, 01:13 PM   #1507
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Hi Everybody.

I've been reading along in silence, but decided to join, makes it a bit more easy to follow everything.
And I've noticed I'm not the only Dutchmen here, so that takes away some bounderies as well.


Currently driving a Triumph Street Triple, last year I started to look around for a successor.
As I want to do more traveling on the bike, the Tiger 800 obviously came into view and a rented it for 2 days and I really liked it. Better to know sooner then later.

But then came the rumors.... something big is coming.... and BIG it is.


Last weekend I was able to see it live at the Motorexhibition at Utrecht and I am impressed.
What certainly didn't disappoint is the exhaust. The pictures didn't do it justice.
It's more 'petite' in real life and not the monstrosity I feared it was.



Will I buy one?
Before I take a decision, I will rent it for probably 2 days and drive, drive, drive to find out my personal experience.
But if it is as enjoyable as the Tiger800 then I will surely seal the deal (just need to do a bit more saving).


At least the video's/reviews so far look promissing.

Some new video's posted onYT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHGsjvyxIBQ (french - details on the bike)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9CpIjYBX_M (french - review with some driving)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVN3aWbw2a0 (just driving)

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Old 02-28-2012, 01:17 PM   #1508
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Hi Everybody.

I've been reading along in silence, but decided to join, makes it a bit more easy to follow everything.
And I've noticed I'm not the only Dutchmen here, so that takes away some bounderies as well.


Currently driving a Triumph Street Triple, last year I started to look around for a successor.
As I want to do more traveling on the bike, the Tiger 800 obviously came into view and a rented it for 2 days and I really liked it. Better to know sooner then later.

But then came the rumors.... something big is coming.... and BIG it is.


Last weekend I was able to see it live at the Motorexhibition at Utrecht and I am impressed.
What certainly didn't disappoint is the exhaust. The pictures didn't do it justice.
It's more 'petite' in real life and not the monstrosity I feared it was.



Will I buy one?
Before I take a decision, I will rent it for probably 2 days and drive, drive, drive to find out my personal experience.
But if it is as enjoyable as the Tiger800 then I will surely seal the deal (just need to do a bit more saving).


At least the video's/reviews so far look promissing.

Some new video's posted onYT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHGsjvyxIBQ (french - details on the bike)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9CpIjYBX_M (french - review with some driving)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVN3aWbw2a0 (just driving)
Hello and welcome.

Since the Dutch are, on average, the tallest nation in Europe, I think you will love the T1200
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Old 02-28-2012, 01:30 PM   #1509
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I think my countryman from Rotterdam must be very small for a Dutchy to consider the Tiger Adventurer being a big bike...

Perhaps he did smoke something illegal - even for Dutch standards...?

Got a call from Triumph today. Test ride promised within 2 weeks from now.
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Old 02-28-2012, 02:32 PM   #1510
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Hello and welcome.

Since the Dutch are, on average, the tallest nation in Europe, I think you will love the T1200
Thanks.

T1200.... you make it sound like a Terminator.


Actually, it's a close call.
Check out the end of this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_uPTHGh_T8


Enjoy your day!
Eventhough the Internet has eliminated distances it cannot solve the time diffference. For me it's time to go to bed.
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Old 02-28-2012, 02:33 PM   #1511
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I think my countryman from Rotterdam must be very small for a Dutchy to consider the Tiger Adventurer being a big bike...
Compared to my Street Triple everything is big.

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smoking....

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Old 02-28-2012, 02:37 PM   #1512
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Thanks.

T1200.... you make it sound like a Terminator.


Actually, it's a close call.
Check out the end of this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_uPTHGh_T8


Enjoy your day!
Eventhough the Internet has eliminated distances it cannot solve the time diffference. For me it's time to go to bed.
Pretty Impressive knee clearance. Nothing like banging knees off the fairing/molding .
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Old 02-28-2012, 02:53 PM   #1513
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Never understood why you come into these kinds of threads - I've seen you in a few.
Well what's the next bike going to be Mercury? After all the dust settles and the two year mark has come around.

Geez it could be a Tiger, (Almost bought the 800 Tiger based on owners experiences). or a Honda or ???

As long as the bike is reliable, it's in with a chance. and looking at all the offering available at the moment, none of them are bad.

We all seem to take the little niggles here and there and blow them out of all proportion. First world problems all of them.

I am not buying a bike on faith..
Some people might and that's good for some real world feedback.

Hell after 10 years I might even be convinced to look at BMW again.

I might have a friend who is a POM and is scared of dirt. An S10 would be a bit of a waste so a smooth as butter triple or V4 might be better.

But as I said before, a big fairing on a bike in the land of paved roads, drizzle and snow seems to make more sense than a naked for general duties. That is why I mentioned the other variant of this Tiger or the other variant of the GS.

Honda might even come out with a NonCross Touring version of the VFR.

My friend is always waiting for bad weather to mention how great it is behind the big RT fairing. He just tends to melt in hot weather though.

Maybe BMW will release a GS/RT with an electronic push button folding fairings. Sort of like the soft top mechanisms on cars. Combine it with the ABS off switch so as soon as you see dirt you revert to a GS style bike.

As far as sports bikes go, well the 1000cc class is getting a bit out of the real world and has for a while just as in the UK, you don't have much chance of keeping the license here in OZ on the good roads. In the vast expanses out in the middle though you could. Just that the RRRace bikes don't like the crap roads much. BUT the testosterone charged boys just can't resist being top dog on the block, even if it's only on paper.
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Old 02-28-2012, 05:21 PM   #1514
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Don't know if this was already posted on here, and too lazy to search 101 pages...

http://www.ridermagazine.com/top-sto...ide-review.htm
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Old 02-28-2012, 06:24 PM   #1515
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I like what I'm reading so far on these differant reviews but still can't wait until actual buyers start receiving and riding this bike .

Dave, I could be wrong but didn't you just purchase a Vee not to long ago? Are you one who switches up on bikes fairely often or did you just find a deal you could'nt refuse on a S10 ?

Just curious, I tend to try and keep my bikes for a long time ( I believe 6 years is the shortest time I've ever kept a bike and still have one thats 31 yrs old) as I hate putting money in a bike and than sell it at a lose to get something else.

Had the Vee since it was new in '05 (yeah time flies). I always have an eye out for the next one and it's taken this long to get seriously excited about anything, and I have a choice between two! How cool is that. Long story short on the Tenere, I had a deposit on an Explorer and then test rode a Tenere just for kicks and fell in love with it. Not often anymore that I feel that way right out of the box, and I just can't ignore that. I even tried to justify why I should wait for the Explorer and the arguments came up short. Gotta follow my heart on this one, and so far it's far more than the sum of its parts.

That being said I'm still really interested in the Explorer, which is why I'm still following the latest on it. If I have to have it, I'll take a loss on the Yamaha and get one, that was the gamble I took, but I think an educated one.

I could be wrong, but I think these bikes are different enough that one won't be "better" just different. After all of the early gushing reviews are over, I'll get a chance to ride one and see what I think.
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