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Old 04-15-2012, 10:45 PM   #2011
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Well your dealer is either a liar or a fool. . .
Could be both, who knows? I'm just relaying what I was told. BTW, this is the same dealership that wouldn't make the deposit refundable.
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Old 04-15-2012, 10:51 PM   #2012
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You obviously have too much money to burn on bikes you might not like.
Or some of us are happy with any single/poly-cylindered engine between our legs and wind in our face.
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Old 04-15-2012, 11:11 PM   #2013
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You should NOT speak of things you know little about. He is a great guy and is going to do great things for Triumph
Thanks for the current clarification on this. Good to hear from a genuine source. It would be sad if Triumph discontinued Demo rides. Demo's have worked well for BMW for years and I believe for Triumph as well. As I understand it Triumph help subsidize dealer demo bikes ... to some extent. Hope they can continue this policy.
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Old 04-16-2012, 12:47 AM   #2014
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I've never test rode a bike before buying since I started in 1983, I don't see what the big hairy deal is with the test drive.
A test ride isn't as big a deal as it used to be before the internet. Now, in a matter of weeks, months at the worst,,,,, you can read owners reports from owners,,,,, not jadded or paid for journalists. You can now read if many people are reporting about issues or say a tranny that just sucks due to ratio spacing or notchy action,,,,, or whatever.

But,,,,,,, a bike is a very personal thing to some. Some buy a bike as a tool for a job and will adapt to that tool's idiosyncrasies. But some look at bikes as more than simple, practical tools and for them, the bike must fit them in every way from ergonomics of the seat, pegs and handle bars to the way the exhaust fills the air to the way the switchgear feels/operates. To them, no amount of internet owner reports will accurately describe how it fits and makes them feel.

Question for you. Do you buy shoes without trying them on? If so, do you hike? Get what I'm getting at at now?

BTW,,,,,, I'm a form follows function sorta guy and I buy bikes as tools and at times I think those guys/girls that wax eloquently about how this bike "stirs the soul" or how this bike "just never stirred me" gibberish. I can see how a bike like a Ducati 916 or a Guzzi Griso can have such good looks or sound that you might forgive some of it's faults, especially if you have plenty of money and it's "Just fer lookin at". I can understand that but I can also buy and ride a Suzuki DL650 which is one hell of an ugly and boring bike and I wouldn't need any owner reports to tell me that but then again, I bought it used,,,,, cheap and damned near decided to sell it because I was so disappointed in it after a few hours or riding. Had I paid new money for it, I would have been even more disappointed. No way in hell I would plunk down 10-20K$ without a test ride and if manufacturers will not allow it and I can wrangle a ride from a friend,,,,,, the manufacturer would not get my money.

But, in my case,,,, none of that matters because I simply refuse to buy a new bike,,,,,, any new bike {with very few exceptions}. It makes absolutely no practical sense to me to lose all that money.

But I can uderstand those that do and I can easily understand those that do wanting a test ride.
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Old 04-16-2012, 04:53 AM   #2015
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I've never test rode a bike before buying since I started in 1983, I don't see what the big hairy deal is with the test drive.
Me neither (and no, I 'aint rich). Why would you buy or not buy a bike solely on the basis of a 30 min or so test ride on a bike that is probably not even set up for you

There are many factors involved, for me at least, in buying a new bike so a test ride is not absolutely required.
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Old 04-16-2012, 05:54 AM   #2016
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You should NOT speak of things you know little about. He is a great guy and is going to do great things for Triumph.

Please post a source for your bullshit "Word is that he wants to focus more on "lifestyle.///(because actually riding the bikes might distract you)"

Or shut the hell up.



As for deposits. Unless it is for a special order there is no need for some "written declaration that the deposit was refundable SUBJECT TO A TEST RIDE!"

Just where do you come up with this stuff? A dealership can not keep a deposit written declaration or no... It is simply a first right of refusal. That is it,, nothing more. Don't want the bike? No worries. NEXT!!!

As always laws on this may vary from state to state.
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My point was that I would remain first in line for the Explorer and that I would need to have a test ride before I would make a decision. There was never a question of the dealer keeping the deposit and I did not mean to give that impression in the post.

Why are there so many people on fora who lack civility; perhaps you could have said his dealer is mistaken rather than calling him "a liar and a fool".

I just don't get it
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Old 04-16-2012, 05:59 AM   #2017
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A test ride isn't as big a deal as it used to be before the internet. Now, in a matter of weeks, months at the worst,,,,, you can read owners reports from owners,,,,, not jadded or paid for journalists. You can now read if many people are reporting about issues or say a tranny that just sucks due to ratio spacing or notchy action,,,,, or whatever.

But,,,,,,, a bike is a very personal thing to some. Some buy a bike as a tool for a job and will adapt to that tool's idiosyncrasies. But some look at bikes as more than simple, practical tools and for them, the bike must fit them in every way from ergonomics of the seat, pegs and handle bars to the way the exhaust fills the air to the way the switchgear feels/operates. To them, no amount of internet owner reports will accurately describe how it fits and makes them feel.

Question for you. Do you buy shoes without trying them on? If so, do you hike? Get what I'm getting at at now?

BTW,,,,,, I'm a form follows function sorta guy and I buy bikes as tools and at times I think those guys/girls that wax eloquently about how this bike "stirs the soul" or how this bike "just never stirred me" gibberish. I can see how a bike like a Ducati 916 or a Guzzi Griso can have such good looks or sound that you might forgive some of it's faults, especially if you have plenty of money and it's "Just fer lookin at". I can understand that but I can also buy and ride a Suzuki DL650 which is one hell of an ugly and boring bike and I wouldn't need any owner reports to tell me that but then again, I bought it used,,,,, cheap and damned near decided to sell it because I was so disappointed in it after a few hours or riding. Had I paid new money for it, I would have been even more disappointed. No way in hell I would plunk down 10-20K$ without a test ride and if manufacturers will not allow it and I can wrangle a ride from a friend,,,,,, the manufacturer would not get my money.

But, in my case,,,, none of that matters because I simply refuse to buy a new bike,,,,,, any new bike {with very few exceptions}. It makes absolutely no practical sense to me to lose all that money.

But I can understand those that do and I can easily understand those that do wanting a test ride.
Jud, you hit the nail on the head as far as I am concerned.

Up till now every bike I bought I did so without a test ride but I haven't ridden in 23 years. I want to make sure that the size and power and ergonomics of the Explorer are going to work for me and I should know in a couple of hours if it is JUST TOO MUCH or is something I can grow into.
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Old 04-16-2012, 06:15 AM   #2018
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Well, according to my dealer, Triumph USA dealers aren't going to give demos anymore, from a truck, or otherwise. He stated that they're going the way of the Japanese in this regard.

If that's true, I wonder how long my dealer will continue to sell Triumphs. He already thinks they're idiots for not providing demo-specific bikes to US dealers when new models come out, as BMW does. He sold a lot of S1000RRs because BMW had sent him one allocated for demo use, and after riding it quite a few people signed for one immediately. I have to agree with him -- Triumph is missing an opportunity by not doing the same with bikes like the Explorer, especially at dealerships like my local one. There are a lot of people who walk into the place with a BMW GS in mind, but if they could test-ride an Explorer, they might well change their minds. If Triumph eliminates all demos altogether, they're going to lose sales.

I'm starting to think that Triumph don't fully understand their clientele. All the Triumph owners I know actually ride, they don't just pose.

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Old 04-16-2012, 06:36 AM   #2019
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If that's true, I wonder how long my dealer will continue to sell Triumphs. He already thinks they're idiots for not providing demo-specific bikes to US dealers when new models come out, as BMW does. He sold a lot of S1000RRs because BMW had sent him one allocated for demo use, and after riding it quite a few people signed for one immediately. I have to agree with him -- Triumph is missing an opportunity by not doing the same with bikes like the Explorer, especially at dealerships like my local one. There are a lot of people who walk into the place with a BMW GS in mind, but if they could test-ride an Explorer, they might well change their minds. If Triumph eliminates all demos altogether, they're going to lose sales.

I'm starting to think that Triumph don't fully understand their clientele. All the Triumph owners I know actually ride, they don't just pose.

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I think they understand them pretty well actually...and the no-demo bikes seems to be false information.
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and the no-demo bikes seems to be false information.

Yeah, I saw Dakez's post after I wrote mine. I hope that's true. I've just been feeling for a while like Triumph doesn't give their clientele quite enough credit -- pretty much every Triumph rider I know loves his/her bike, rides it a lot, and will very likely buy another Triumph eventually (and many already own more than one), but very few of them have any interest whatsoever in "lifestyle" paraphernalia.

It does make sense, of course, for Triumph to go after what lifestyle market there is, but IMO they shouldn't make the mistake of concentrating on it the way HD seems to.

Where Triumph was on the mark, though, was their introduction of the Adventure segment -- they understand full well how much money we ADV types spend on farkles, and they made mention of it in their initial dealer meeting intro back in January 2010 or whenever it was. The difference is, farkles are functional and practical, not just fashion (well, unless all you ever do is ride to Starbucks...). I think they could actually be doing more with it -- I can think of quite a few Tiger accessories that Triumph should come out with but hasn't -- but supposedly there's a bunch of stuff in the pipeline that simply hasn't been released yet.

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PS: Speaking of that "just riding to Starbucks" thing... I actually think it would be hilarious if someone started a ride report of rides to the most far-flung, out of the way coffee shops around. Example: the Tim Horton's in Happy Valley-Goose Bay, Labrador. "Oh, yeah, I just took a morning run out on the bike to grab some coffee... but I had to ride 300 miles of sketchy gravel to get there..."
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Old 04-16-2012, 07:09 AM   #2021
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Yeah, I saw Dakez's post after I wrote mine. I hope that's true. I've just been feeling for a while like Triumph doesn't give their clientele quite enough credit -- pretty much every Triumph rider I know loves his/her bike, rides it a lot, and will very likely buy another Triumph eventually (and many already own more than one), but very few of them have any interest whatsoever in "lifestyle" paraphernalia.

It does make sense, of course, for Triumph to go after what lifestyle market there is, but IMO they shouldn't make the mistake of concentrating on it the way HD seems to.

Where Triumph was on the mark, though, was their introduction of the Adventure segment -- they understand full well how much money we ADV types spend on farkles, and they made mention of it in their initial dealer meeting intro back in January 2010 or whenever it was. The difference is, farkles are functional and practical, not just fashion (well, unless all you ever do is ride to Starbucks...). I think they could actually be doing more with it -- I can think of quite a few Tiger accessories that Triumph should come out with but hasn't -- but supposedly there's a bunch of stuff in the pipeline that simply hasn't been released yet.

--mark

PS: Speaking of that "just riding to Starbucks" thing... I actually think it would be hilarious if someone started a ride report of rides to the most far-flung, out of the way coffee shops around. Example: the Tim Horton's in Happy Valley-Goose Bay, Labrador. "Oh, yeah, I just took a morning run out on the bike to grab some coffee... but I had to ride 300 miles of sketchy gravel to get there..."
Agreed on all points (esp buying the multiple Triumph's bit ).

I think as a company grows, it's a fine line between (for want of a better phrase) keeping it 'real' or branching out into new markets (i.e. coffee filters). HD has gone way and I really really hope Triumph doesn't follow them down the same path. Sure, sell Triumph watches and the like if you must (Porsche and Ferrari sell branded products) just don't make that your MAIN profit center.

As I say, my local Hardley dealer has over half their floor space given over to Hardley shite - not gear mind, just Hardley badged shite.
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Old 04-16-2012, 07:27 AM   #2022
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It's damn simple for me: no test ride, no sale. That's why pretty much all Japanese manufacturers are out of the question for me.
All four of the Yamaha dealers I visited for the S10 offered me a test ride and I took two of them up on it.

No problems with any of the Yamaha dealers!
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Old 04-16-2012, 08:01 AM   #2023
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There is a black Explorer on its way to my house next week. This will be the first bike delivered in the country . I've been on edge for the last few weeks as we have planned a trip around the country next week and I desperately wanted to do it on the Explorer. Seems like it may make it just in time

BTW it will involve a bunch of really cool guys riding +-5000km on and off road and the excuse for getting on the bikes and doing this distance is to test beer at a string of micro breweries dotted around the country. The best reason anyone could have to take a week off work - ride a cool bike and drink cold beer
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Old 04-16-2012, 10:35 AM   #2024
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Ducati had a unique method to give riders demo rides on a new model early on. Couple/few years ago when the new Multistrada 1200 was coming out, dealers were crying out for Demo bikes. None to be had.

Ducati selected a few favorite dealers and arranged to bring six new Multistrada's to these dealers, each for a day, then onto the next dealer, and so on, around the country (or state?).

My local dealer was notified new bikes were coming. They wisely contacted their most loyal customers, inviting them to Demo the new Multi. About 20 riders signed up and showed up on the day. They went out in groups of six (only six bikes available) for two hours riding for each group. The "minders" did not restrict speed and much hooliganism ensued. (a good friend did this demo ride) Smiles all round, great time had by all ... no crashes, no tickets.

My buddy checked back with the dealer/owner a week later .... 17 out of 20 bought the Multistrada 1200! (my buddy was one of just three that did not buy) Average price of each bike? Around $18,000 OTD. $18K X 17 = $306,000 Gross. Pretty decent days work! But Ducati have had flops too ... like the "Streetfighter" which continue to collect dust on showroom floors.
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Old 04-16-2012, 11:28 AM   #2025
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A while back when the Honda Hoot was at its peak, many a manufacturer brought a demo fleet to Asheville, then on to Knoxville. The first year it was in Knoxville I rode my first Triumph. I went out several times and fell in love with the Tiger (01' at that time I believe). I also road the GS and the V Strom back to back and could not get over the Tiger. So, I went and bought my first Tiger, after that demo ride.
I'm a huge supporter of this marketing method, hope to see the good ole' days return at some point in the near future...
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