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Old 05-19-2012, 07:36 AM   #2596
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Thanks for review of the bike.

I am almost at the point of perhaps buying the wife her own bike for long trips [she has a little cbr125 which she loves], but i live in fear of her falling off on gravel or getting pushed around too much with crosswinds or suction form passing trucks.

In my next life i am going to be about 90 kgs and 6'2"
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Old 05-19-2012, 07:47 AM   #2597
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I am used to the para-lever / duo-lever suspension on the GSA, so the "standard" suspension with it's brake
dives seemed to be a step backwards, but I know the suspension travel can also be used as an advantage in
certain situations. Again, riding 2-up, it it really nice not to have to "manage" the brake dive every time you stop.

Last, but not least. I like doing as much of my own maintenance as possible. Having recently done the majority
of the 12,000 mile service myself on the GSA , I couldn't help but think how much more difficult it would be with
the Triumph. Easily accessible motor / air cooling vs.straight-up motor with water-cooling, although I have to
admit, each have their advantages and disadvantages.
I haven't ridden the Explorer yet, but I would imagine it would be like any big trailie. You need to initiate your braking with the rear brake, that settles the chassis, then you come in progressively with the front and the dive is greatly reduced. You can't really compare maintenance on a boxer to anything. I owned an RT and yes it took me longer to remove plastic than to do the valve adjustment. Sure it's going to take longer to do the valves on an inline triple or four with shim under bucket, but you're doing that maintenance in 3 or 4 times the mileage. Shim under bucket valves aren't bad to check but if any are out of spec, then it's a bit more involved to pull the cams to swap shims. Most shim under bucket designs seem to be fairly stable and don't needed adjusted very often. Sure wouldn't factor into my buying decision of a bike, and I live remotely so do all my own maintenance.
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Old 05-19-2012, 08:21 AM   #2598
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Thanks for review of the bike.

I am almost at the point of perhaps buying the wife her own bike for long trips [she has a little cbr125 which she loves], but i live in fear of her falling off on gravel or getting pushed around too much with crosswinds or suction form passing trucks.

In my next life i am going to be about 90 kgs and 6'2"
The CBR125 is tiny; maybe a newer Ninja 250 would be good for her, or the CBR250? My g/f put 12,000 very happy miles on hers before upgrading to a 600 supersport.
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Old 05-19-2012, 09:10 AM   #2599
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The ergo's are interesting. As I said, I was very comfortable on the Explorer, but also saw the bike as a real possibility
for someone like my son, who is about 5'9" and has no interest in trying to ride a "skyscraper" GS. Another
advantage I found was being able to create a very stable position when stopped with a pillion.

Re: Brake dive: Yes, initially applying the rear brake does settle the bike and is easy enough to do. I think it is more
a matter of getting "lazy" with the GS suspension, plus to me, the Triumph just begs to be ridden
faster ( with harder braking sometimes a result ). Add to that, the demo bike was not set-up for me,
so some of the dive could likely be dialed-out.

Maintenance: Longer service intervals would somewhat offset the easier access. It would not heavily
influence a buying decision, but I do enjoy working on the GS much more than my 3 and 4 cylinder
water-cooled bikes. One particular thing I do not miss on the GS, is doing a coolant change. I know
they are somewhat infrequent, but at least for me, always a hassle. On the flip side, a water-cooled bike
does take some of the anxiety out of traffic-jams in 90 degree heat :)
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Old 05-19-2012, 09:32 AM   #2600
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G'day Explorer owners , a few questions if I may.

Two years ago I had a number of major operations , and lost 30 kg. I am yet to gain a single ounce back , and my specialist says that it is very unlikely that I ever will. I weigh 64 kilos [ 145 ish pounds]

I purchased a Weestrom late last year to test the waters on the ADV type bike design. Within a few months I sold it as the bike just had weird noises from the engine casing , and I didn't like the noise[s] one bit.
Further more , at 5'8" , my feet touched the ground without too much of an issue , HOWEVER , as you sit IN the bike , not on it , the top end weight of it was scary for me.

It would tip almost violently into corners, was very unstable when pulling to a stop , and would always dive to the right once I was almost at a standstill.

With my wife on the back , the top heavy , very unstable feeling would magnify the problem alot. With a full tank of fuel , it was just dangerous with her on the back. Had I added any luggage , I would very likely tip the bike over in very quick time.
I did a few adjustments to the suspension that were available , but the actual build of the bike with its high COG was the main culprit for me.

So, looking at the photos posted from the proud owners so far , the Explorer seems ok for a short *ss like myself , but how does it feel for a little bloke with tank height stability , especially with luggage and a full tank of fuel? Has anyone with a pillion struggled with top end stability?

We plan on doing a number of 5000 km trips in full dress and full bags , so I would like the extra weight and hp just to deal with the road trains on the roads over here [Western Australia], but would not want to be nervous at stopping or moving the bike around for the entire 5000 k's.

I have read as much as possible , but it seems that maybe the bike is just too big for us Aussie midgets perhaps?

I am an experienced rider with off road experience , Supermoto , and my usual rides are 1 ltr Sportsbikes.

Advice very gratefully received.
You will likely struggle with it at below walking speed and when manhandling it. The weight disappears on the move but you know it's a beast at the other times. I think you need to test ride it.
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Old 05-19-2012, 09:33 AM   #2601
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The CBR125 is tiny; maybe a newer Ninja 250 would be good for her, or the CBR250? My g/f put 12,000 very happy miles on hers before upgrading to a 600 supersport.
Agreed!
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Old 05-19-2012, 09:49 AM   #2602
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Two years ago I had a number of major operations , and lost 30 kg. I am yet to gain a single ounce back , and my specialist says that it is very unlikely that I ever will. I weigh 64 kilos [ 145 ish pounds]

We plan on doing a number of 5000 km trips in full dress and full bags , so I would like the extra weight and hp just to deal with the road trains on the roads over here [Western Australia], but would not want to be nervous at stopping or moving the bike around for the entire 5000 k's.
If your wife is petite, one of the two 800 Tigers available, sounds like a far better choice for physical manageability.

Straddling the Explorer at this spring's mc trade show, let me know immediately that at my height 5'8" and age, it was out of the question and that's without fuel or a loaded luggage setup.

Demo the Explorer and don't exclude the 800 Tiggers by any means...

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Old 05-19-2012, 10:55 AM   #2603
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Old 05-19-2012, 11:27 AM   #2604
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Thanks for review of the bike.

I am almost at the point of perhaps buying the wife her own bike for long trips [she has a little cbr125 which she loves], but i live in fear of her falling off on gravel or getting pushed around too much with crosswinds or suction form passing trucks.

In my next life i am going to be about 90 kgs and 6'2"
Been through that with my better half... bought her a 650 GS twin, and spent most of the time looking in my mirrors to see that she was ok....and when she dropped it on a country lane it did her confidence, bike was sold and she's happy to be on the back of mine... and I've not got to worry about her trying to keep up
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Old 05-19-2012, 03:43 PM   #2605
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I love that first pic Motopo67. What a beautiful scooter. Thanks for posting pics of your cases & mounts also they look great!
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Old 05-19-2012, 10:25 PM   #2606
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I can't tell from the pics (on my phone), are those the Zega pros?
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Old 05-20-2012, 03:22 AM   #2607
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I can't tell from the pics (on my phone), are those the Zega pros?
No, is Mytech!
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Old 05-20-2012, 06:05 AM   #2608
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valve inspection intervals & DIY maintenance

I also do my own work and was pleased to hear from the sole owner of a TEX here in town (so far) that the owner's manual specifies a valve inspection a 10,000 miles, then every 20,000 thereafter (e.g., 30k, 50k). And this type of valve rarely, if ever, needs to have the shim swapped out.

Jerry also said that the 500 mile service consists of a oil/filter change and a final drive fluid change and inspection of other bits. That's easy...

I didn't ask how often to synch the throttle bodies but I've got a 4 cylinder carb tune tool from my FJR days so synching a triple motor is a piece of cake if access to the throttle body adjustment screws is easy.

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Last, but not least. I like doing as much of my own maintenance as possible. Having recently done the majority
of the 12,000 mile service myself on the GSA , I couldn't help but think how much more difficult it would be with
the Triumph. Easily accessible motor / air cooling vs.straight-up motor with water-cooling, although I have to
admit, each have their advantages and disadvantages.
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Old 05-20-2012, 08:28 AM   #2609
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No, is Mytech!

Where did you buy them from? Are they welded or riveted together?
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Old 05-20-2012, 09:56 AM   #2610
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Where did you buy them from? Are they welded or riveted together?
Riveted!

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