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Old 12-03-2011, 06:04 PM   #796
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I'm sorry to be a party pooper, but no matter how well the Explorer may cook and clean, I just can't get over the look. From the engine forward, it looks very gaudy and juvenile to me. They couldn't even let the front fender alone. The GS may be ugly, but at least, for the most part, the form is perceived to follow function. I ride a DL1000, and though it's no beauty, it looks better to me now.
I guess beauty is in the eye of the beerholder.

It looks alot better than a Vstrom.
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Old 12-03-2011, 07:07 PM   #797
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I am absolutely going to get one of these, and I gotta say, I'm very glad I didn't go for the 800XC which I almost did, because I'd be peeved now.
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Old 12-03-2011, 07:23 PM   #798
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I'm sorry to be a party pooper, but no matter how well the Explorer may cook and clean, I just can't get over the look. From the engine forward, it looks very gaudy and juvenile to me. They couldn't even let the front fender alone. The GS may be ugly, but at least, for the most part, the form is perceived to follow function. I ride a DL1000, and though it's no beauty, it looks better to me now.
Have to agree with you, BUT all you have to do is park it next to the new Versys1000 and it will instantly look better, assuming you can find a spot with all the VStrom owners crowded around.

Frankly though, if it's a good thing it's a good thing, I don't care that much if looks like a mungrel.
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Old 12-03-2011, 07:34 PM   #799
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I prefer ugly bikes. Makes the engineers work harder at making it preform, cause they know its ugly so it better be good.

Yes I ride a Versys...
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Old 12-04-2011, 02:00 AM   #800
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Have to agree with you, BUT all you have to do is park it next to the new Versys1000 and it will instantly look better, assuming you can find a spot with all the VStrom owners crowded around.

Frankly though, if it's a good thing it's a good thing, I don't care that much if looks like a mungrel.
+1. And besides that... I don't have to watch it when riding it...

About reliability... no reason to worry. My neighbour rides an '96 Triumph Adventure (the custom bike) and has done near to 300.000 km all year throuh since he bought the bike new. Its a great bike.

Besides that... I like the way Triumph (as an company) is involving its customers. It could teach the guys at Honda a few (good) lessons, but unfortunately they are to proud and to stubborn to have a look at the competition...
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Old 12-04-2011, 03:36 AM   #801
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Word has it the first 200 are sold already over here. These do include the dealer demo's, but these bikes are higher spec - and higher price.
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Old 12-04-2011, 04:28 AM   #802
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. ...it looks very gaudy and juvenile...
My wife will likely think it's the perfect bike for me then

Frankly, I like the looks - to me it looks aggressive without being gaudy. To each his own I suppose. When I showed my wife the pictures she said, "pretty bike", for what that's worth.

Oddly enough, I've never thought the Stroms were as ugly as other people say. I mean, they're no beauty queens, but the Versys wins the ugly bike title for me. I'm sure they're great bikes, but just damn that front end is all jacked up - looks like an alien invader from a 50's sci-fi movie...
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Old 12-04-2011, 05:00 AM   #803
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I never had Triumphs and would like to know what known issues are expected with any motorcycles produced by brand Triumph? Something, like, "all Triumph motorcycles have faulty ignition lock", or "all Triumph bikes have weak tubular frame"...
I tested the 800XC a couple of months ago. I was asking the dealer the same question (having learned my lesson by owning a Triumph Spitfire & MG Midget in college). He said that Triumph is bascially an English Honda. They source their parts from several Honda sources and Honda owned subsidiaries (like Showa).

The new explorer is an interesting looking bike for sure. Being long of leg, I prefer the taller more upright seating position of a 990 or GS. I didin't really like sitting lower as I did on the 800XC. My legs felt a little cramped.

BTW...has anyone noticed the new adventure bike weighs 562 lbs. I think the 990 is only about 450lbs. That may be a deal killer right there for me. Yeah, I know, slightly different types of bikes/useage. Chain drive vs shaft..... Still seems like a big difference.
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Old 12-04-2011, 05:08 AM   #804
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BTW...has anyone noticed the new adventure bike weighs 562 lbs. I think the 990 is only about 450lbs. That may be a deal killer right there for me. Yeah, I know, slightly different types of bikes/useage. Chain drive vs shaft..... Still seems like a big difference.
This doesn't matter a bit to me. My VFR weighs 540 so the Explorer is only 22 pounds heavier, but comes in with 30 more hp and 30 more lbft of torque. Heck it's only 11 pounds heavier than a VFR with ABS. My riding will be primarily street, so I'm actually getting a power/weight upgrade... Not to mention better ergos, shaft drive, cruise control, luggage, etc...
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Old 12-04-2011, 05:20 AM   #805
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I here you about the weight. I guess it's definately more of an adventure/touring bike. I do a good mix of on-off road riding so, it's probably not the best bet for that. But, if you packed it up, I bet it would be a blast on the pavement.
The 800XC I rode had a very strong motor. Sooper smooooth.
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Old 12-04-2011, 06:06 AM   #806
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BTW...has anyone noticed the new adventure bike weighs 562 lbs. I think the 990 is only about 450lbs. That may be a deal killer right there for me. Yeah, I know, slightly different types of bikes/useage. Chain drive vs shaft..... Still seems like a big difference.

I know most love the shaft drive but i dont care for them one bit .Adds to much unessasary weight in IMO,and you are stuck with the gearing the factory decided you should have.
You SHOULD be concerned with weight .Too much is never good.
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Old 12-04-2011, 06:40 AM   #807
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BTW...has anyone noticed the new adventure bike weighs 562 lbs. I think the 990 is only about 450lbs. That may be a deal killer right there for me. Yeah, I know, slightly different types of bikes/useage. Chain drive vs shaft..... Still seems like a big difference.
Having the Yam, I've also been watching the Explorer weight numbers, which we so far only have from the factory. I tend to keep oil in the engine and gas in the tank and don't believe that the 12GS is a full 90 pounds lighter than the Super Tenere, so think the factories can be pretty "optimistic."

The numbers for everything but the Triumph are their CLAIMED dry weight, then for wet, these add the tank capacity at 6 lbs/gal and add 7.5 pounds for a gallon of oil. Triumph gives both dry and wet numbers.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . .. Empty (lbs/ kgs) . with gas & oil

Multistrada . . . . . . . . . 417 / 189 . . . . . 456
1200GS . . . . . . . . . . . 448 / 203 . . . . . 487
DL1000 . . . . . . . . . . . . 456 / 207 . . . . . 498
KTM Adventure . . . . . . 461 / 209 . . . . . 500
1200GSA . . . . . . . . . . 491 / 223 . . . . . 551
1200 Triumph . . . . . . . 534 / 242 . . . . . 570 (Official claim, but calculates to 577)
Super Tenere: . . . . . . . 538 / 244 . . . . . 575

As with the Super Tenere, how high or low the cg is will mean a lot.
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For me if it weights more than a GSA. I already find the GSA really heavy compared to the GS.
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Old 12-04-2011, 08:12 AM   #809
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...The numbers for everything but the Triumph are their CLAIMED dry weight, then for wet, these add the tank capacity at 6 lbs/gal and add 7.5 pounds for a gallon of oil. Triumph gives both dry and wet numbers.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . .. Empty (lbs/ kgs) . with gas & oil

Multistrada . . . . . . . . . 417 / 189 . . . . . 456
1200GS . . . . . . . . . . . 448 / 203 . . . . . 487
DL1000 . . . . . . . . . . . . 456 / 207 . . . . . 498
KTM Adventure . . . . . . 461 / 209 . . . . . 500
1200GSA . . . . . . . . . . 491 / 223 . . . . . 551
1200 Triumph . . . . . . . 534 / 242 . . . . . 570 (Official claim, but calculates to 577)
Super Tenere: . . . . . . . 538 / 244 . . . . . 575

As with the Super Tenere, how high or low the cg is will mean a lot.
One of the magazines oughta do an honest "weigh-in" on all these bikes. Like one of the dirt bike mags did decades ago...

My 2010 Ducati Multistrada 1200S Touring is 520 lb w/full tank, no luggage. Evenly distributed 260 front and rear. A far cry from 456 lb, huh...

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I didn't see this in the last few pages of the thread, but as an existing Triumph owner I received a Triumph-produced magazine in the mail the other day which has a spread on the new Tiger Explorer as they're calling it.

Here are some of the facts contained within:

All-new (meaning not re-configured from an existing engine) 1215cc triple producing 137ps and 121Nm of torque.

Four-piston calipers with twin 305mm discs up front, two-piston caliper with 282mm disc at rear. Switchable ABS is standard.

950 watt generator.

46mm USD front forks adjustable for preload. Rear shock adjustable for damping and preload - preload with large knurled knob - no tools required.

Throttle-by-wire allowing Triumph to incorporate traction control and cruise control. Traction control is switchable. Cruise control is standard.

Instrument pack similar in appearance to the Tiger 800 except it includes ambient air temperature and ice warning. Also the OBC can be controlled by buttons on the switchgear so you don't have to take your hands off the bars to navigate through the OBC functions.

20L fuel tank. 20L = 5.3 U.S. gallons.

Adjustable bars, seat and screen heights. Seat height adjustable from 810mm (with optional low seat) to 860mm (31.9" to 33.9")

Removable pillion footpegs.

10,000-mile "routine maintenance" interval. (I assume that means oil changes).

Optional accessories will include: heated rider and pillion seats, heated grips, additional high-power front lights and a top box with integrated power supply for charging on the move. There will be a power socket close to the ignition switch (a la Tiger 800).

Also re: Triumph's choice of alloy wheels, the article had this to say: A significant difference from other bikes in the class are stylish 10-spoke alloy wheels. Triumph specified cast wheels for its adventure bike because it knows the majority of owners demand impeccable on-road manners and handling, and cast wheels are generally lighter (for lower unsprung weight and improved handling) and give the best options for tyres.

They got in a couple digs at BMW: "All of the engineers involved in this project are motorcyclists," continues Warburton, "so we all know that being stranded with a broken driveshaft is just not an option. We looked at the driveshafts on our competitors' bikes and quickly understood why some have a reputation for failing. We engineered ours to be stronger. The Tiger Explorer's driveshaft is designed to be stronger and more durable than others on the market."

Also, the Tiger 1050SE carries on for 2012.
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