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Old 12-08-2011, 12:20 PM   #886
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Sure hope you are right about the gas milage being better than a GS. Mine only gives me 60mpg Imperial. Thats pathetic.
you should really enjoy your bike more often........
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Old 12-08-2011, 12:24 PM   #887
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Maybe it's just me but gas mileage and/or gas tank capacity has never been a deal-breaker for me. If gas is scarce where I'm going, I carry it - there are plenty of options these days to do that.

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Old 12-08-2011, 12:26 PM   #888
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Good point. It's simply ignorance (I've got plenty) and fear of the unknown as I've always owned Japanese bikes, and I'm familiar with them. I've had at least one of all the big four over the years and never had a lemon. Two years ago I returned to motorcycling after a 13 year hiatus and immediately went with what I thought I knew.
If you read a few of my earlier posts here and elsewhere, I've detailed some facts about Triumph production, parts sources and quality control in production. If you ever get a chance I'd recommend a factory tour in the UK. It's really fun! I got private tours, escorted by some mid level execs filling me in on all production details. But now they have group tours for anyone.

Most all engine parts are Made In Japan. Electronics, F.I. systems, brakes and suspension are Made in Japan. The frame and swingarm ... and several other parts ... are made in Triumph's 2 factories in Thailand. They do absolutely beautiful work in Thailand. Truly world class. Look close and compare to ... anyone.

Motors are built (using all matched Japanese engine parts) by hand, one by one in England. All the latest modern production techniques are used, including Laser measurements. Very serious set up. You just have to Be There and see it.

I've been lucky enough to have visited a few MC factories through my work and some connections. I've been to Triumph twice, to BMW in Spandau, Berlin and to Yamaha in Japan. All are mind blowing ... especially Yamaha, but Triumph are now right up there, IMO.
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Old 12-08-2011, 12:28 PM   #889
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Maybe it's just me but gas mileage and/or gas tank capacity has never been a deal-breaker for me. If gas is scarce where I'm going, I carry it - there are plenty of options these days to do that.

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Old 12-08-2011, 12:34 PM   #890
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I dunno, I kind of have to agree with Red Cat. I happily put 40k miles on my Wee-Strom in the three years I owned it, and it was certainly a great bike in every objective way... but compared to the XC, it is dull. The Wee is extremely competent for touring and day rides, but exciting? Can't really apply that word to it. It's got no personality. It's a riding appliance -- an eminently reliable one to be sure, but an appliance nonetheless. I don't hesitate to recommend it to friends who want to get a do-almost-everything bike for little money, but if they have a little more to spend, I tell them to bypass the Wee and get a Tiger.

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Can't argue that ... it's not the most exciting bike to be sure. I loved my DL1000 however and over time liked it more and more. I admired it's toughness in the face of abuse as I hammered it through several Mexican trips including significant off road. 80K miles, no problems.

Still ... the Tiger XC is my choice now. Just need to save up the dough.
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Old 12-08-2011, 12:41 PM   #891
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I do like the fact that this bike has more power and that the only cap was put on top end speed, not bottom end gears like the Super Tenenre...
That's what I'm talkin bout!
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Old 12-08-2011, 02:06 PM   #892
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I think if you read the article closely it said the New Explorer is compared to the GS not a GS Adventure. So the tank was scaled down so it would not be intimidating to some like the BMW GS Adventure is.
When I paid my deposit prior to the bike being unveiled at the Milan show, the bike was not being compared to anything else, neither GS nor GSA. Certainly not by Triumph, anyway, who are the only people who matter as far as I'm concerned.

The red bike in the MCN article is the bike I hoped I was getting, the blue bike is the one which made me ask for my deposit to be refunded. I have stated my reasons for this in previous posts.

Jonny955 is correct in what he is saying.
By the time any larger tanked version comes along, my money will have been spent elsewhere.
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Old 12-08-2011, 02:46 PM   #893
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Without starting a fuel capacity war here, I have to say the original first drawing I really like the looks of that tank and bike overall. The test mule photos are nothing like it and I have to agree with all the feed back they got, looked awful.

I do think they were smart to keep it more inline with the GS1200 and not the GSA version which probally gives it more overall appeal. If it handles and performs on the road as good or better as the GS1200 is said to be I'm sure it will be very popular.
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Old 12-08-2011, 03:23 PM   #894
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Tiger 800 - Pretty neat bike from what I've read - about the same power to weight as my VFR which is fine, but something about it just doesn't do "It" for me. It really is a nice bike and if they'd gone with a 1050 mill in that bike I'd probably already own one. Except for that "something" that doesn't really do "it" for me....

I have to agree if it just had the 1050 motor that would work for me and probally would be allot cheaper than the 1200 is going to cost.

But thats just it you always want something a little differant and everybody else is the same so they can never build the perfect bike because it would only be perfect for one person.
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Old 12-08-2011, 03:24 PM   #895
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I'm of mixed feelings about the changes they made. First, I like the looks of the revised bike now. I would have liked the bigger tank, but it's still not big enough, so I'll have added a second tank to either. I realize I'm in a small minority there.

I'm glad the GS was the target. Plenty of bikes with 35" seat heights I can't ride already. The lower height on the Triumph makes me happy.
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Old 12-08-2011, 03:24 PM   #896
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triumph 1200 explorer

in my humble opinion the two most beautiful new bikes to be released over the next six months are the triumph tiger 1200 explorer and the bmw k1600s . the triumph explorer will be available in black . thank you triumph . anything that is not already black on the 1200 explorer black model i will eventually exchange for a compatible black replacement part or have the part painted black . as for the bmw k1600s this will be the fastest shaft drive bike in history and uses bmw's new six cylinder engine now built into the bmw k1600gt . the so called bmw concept 6 ( aka k1600s ) looks like a space ship on two wheels but will not be offered in an all black color version . for some reason bmw does not like all black sports bikes so i will have to paint my bmw k1600s all black at some auto body shop for an additional $3000 . but it will be worth the money . this coming spring or summer i plan to purchase an all black triumph 1200 tiger explorer and a custom painted all black bmw k1600s . in my humble opinion these two bikes are the most fantastic motorcycles ever designed for use on the streets and back roads . thanks for listening and i will post some pictures of my new rides when they arrive .
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Old 12-08-2011, 03:35 PM   #897
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in my humble opinion the two most beautiful new bikes to be released over the next six months are the triumph tiger 1200 explorer and the bmw k1600s . the triumph explorer will be available in black . thank you triumph . anything that is not already black on the 1200 explorer black model i will eventually exchange for a compatible black replacement part or have the part painted black . as for the bmw k1600s this will be the fastest shaft drive bike in history and uses bmw's new six cylinder engine now built into the bmw k1600gt . the so called bmw concept 6 ( aka k1600s ) looks like a space ship on two wheels but will not be offered in an all black color version . for some reason bmw does not like all black sports bikes so i will have to paint my bmw k1600s all black at some auto body shop for an additional $3000 . but it will be worth the money . this coming spring or summer i plan to purchase an all black triumph 1200 tiger explorer and a custom painted all black bmw k1600s . in my humble opinion these two bikes are the most fantastic motorcycles ever designed for use on the streets and back roads . thanks for listening and i will post some pictures of my new rides when they arrive .
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Old 12-08-2011, 04:57 PM   #898
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in my humble opinion the two most beautiful new bikes to be released over the next six months are the triumph tiger 1200 explorer and the bmw k1600s . the triumph explorer will be available in black . thank you triumph . anything that is not already black on the 1200 explorer black model i will eventually exchange for a compatible black replacement part or have the part painted black . as for the bmw k1600s this will be the fastest shaft drive bike in history and uses bmw's new six cylinder engine now built into the bmw k1600gt . the so called bmw concept 6 ( aka k1600s ) looks like a space ship on two wheels but will not be offered in an all black color version . for some reason bmw does not like all black sports bikes so i will have to paint my bmw k1600s all black at some auto body shop for an additional $3000 . but it will be worth the money . this coming spring or summer i plan to purchase an all black triumph 1200 tiger explorer and a custom painted all black bmw k1600s . in my humble opinion these two bikes are the most fantastic motorcycles ever designed for use on the streets and back roads . thanks for listening and i will post some pictures of my new rides when they arrive .

You seem to place an inordinate amount of importance on the color (or absence of color) of the motorcycles you own. I appreciate your ability to generate such passion from a generally trivial matter.
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Old 12-08-2011, 05:10 PM   #899
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You seem to place an inordinate amount of importance on the color (or absence of color) of the motorcycles you own. I appreciate your ability to generate such passion from a generally trivial matter.
Probably wants to make sure it matches the shoes and bag. Not good to have non-matching jewelry...
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Old 12-08-2011, 05:25 PM   #900
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you mean i have to come up with 50 grand ?

unfortunately my financial plan ( aka plan " L " ) has not yet materialized . it is my destiny to hit the lotto some day but until then i figure my two above mentioned dream bikes will get real close to 50 large fully loaded and customized and tweaked and that is a lot of money to blow on two bikes . but the 2012 bmw k1600s custom black edition and the midnight black custom loaded triumph tiger 1200 explorer ( aka the midnight explorer ) rise to the level of industrial art design that rivals the 1965 jaguar xke or the original world war 2 jeep and simultaneously advances the two wheeled vehicle into a new era of cutting edge technology .
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