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Old 02-26-2012, 01:03 AM   #1441
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Not many BMW owners will be happy to read the last five words of his report, or even BMW.

This could be the kick up the arse BMW need ?
It just confirmed the comments I was told by an Swedish journalist at the Crosstourer introduction...: "The CT is fine, but the new Triumph will be leading in its class"

I thought the bike being slightly larger, but actually it has a very compact build - which should not be read as an negative aspect!
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Old 02-26-2012, 01:30 AM   #1442
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Not many BMW owners will be happy to read the last five words of his report, or even BMW.

This could be the kick up the arse BMW need ?

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It just confirmed the comments I was told by an Swedish journalist at the Crosstourer introduction...: "The CT is fine, but the new Triumph will be leading in its class"

I thought the bike being slightly larger, but actually it has a very compact build - which should not be read as an negative aspect!


It's funny how personal preference, news stand magazine sales, the dislike for a particle brand along with a bit of ego thrown in drive these forums. Personally, I like that Triumph is making the Explorer. I also like that Yamaha brought the Super Tenere to the USA. I like how the market is expanding, it makes picking a bike more challenging and exciting. What I don't like is the low brow-ing that always seems to follow in these forums. Nobody's reinventing the spoon. All these bikes I'm sure will be more than capable, especially if the rider is more than capable.

I certainly don't have plans to buy the latest and greatest.....There's no need to unless of course you feel compelled. Truth be told, give it 5 years and we'll see what happens when all the dust settles. Given BMW has been in the market making these bikes for the last 30+ years, they have the measuring stick and the evolution that nobody else has. Yup, 5 years from now.......we'll all laugh together.
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Old 02-26-2012, 01:37 AM   #1443
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It's funny how personal preference, news stand magazine sales, the dislike for a particle brand along with a bit of ego thrown in drive these forums. Personally, I like that Triumph is making the Explorer. I also like that Yamaha brought the Super Tenere to the USA. I like how the market is expanding, it makes picking a bike more challenging and exciting. What I don't like is the low brow-ing that always seems to follow in these forums. Nobody's reinventing the spoon. All these bikes I'm sure will be more than capable, especially if the rider is more than capable.

I certainly don't have plans to buy the latest and greatest.....There's no need to unless of course you feel compelled. Truth be told, give it 5 years and we'll see what happens when all the dust settles. Given BMW has been in the market making these bikes for the last 30+ years, they have the measuring stick and the evolution that nobody else has. Yup, 5 years from now.......we'll all laugh together.
See I was right BMW owners don't like it
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Old 02-26-2012, 01:48 AM   #1444
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Old 02-26-2012, 01:49 AM   #1445
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See I was right BMW owners don't like it


Cheerr-o my good chap, cheerr-o.
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Old 02-26-2012, 02:03 AM   #1446
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Hmm. I'm kind of on the fence. I have no plans to chop the S10 in for any other bike. It'll cost me too much, and frankly, the Yammie will probably outlive me.
As for the BMW vs Triumph schtick - here in the UK (ironically enough) BMW have better dealer backup than Triumph. Case in point - my mate at work placed a £2500 deposit for a Sprint with a Triumph dealer that went bust and lost the lot. Triumph UK told him they were under no obligation to provide either a bike or recompense, whereas all the Japanese importers provided customers with bikes or their deposits. Then there is the fact that Triumph have shat on a lot of damn good dealers who were with them for years (Boyer, Streetbike, Wylie and Holland) in favour of the big corporate players.
BMW dealers like Pidcocks have a huge loyal customer base which will only get bigger when the water Boxer GS pops up.
I guess that if i was in the market right now, as i was 12 months ago, then it would be nice to have all of this choice. The Triumph would more than likely head the list, but i want top flight back up and parts supply, which is what swung me in favour of the S10.
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Old 02-26-2012, 05:58 AM   #1447
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I just LOVE the sound of that big triple With an aftermarket pipe it will be pure music hopefully similar to my Speed Triple that I foolishly sold it had the best soundtrack to a good road imaginable!

Can't wait now!!
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Old 02-26-2012, 07:44 AM   #1448
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I sat on the bike at IMS Dallas, did not like the overall looks that much, but the ergos and seat were very comfortable. Having had the Tiger 1050 for a couple of years and 23,000 miles, I am partial to that sweet engine, and can not imagine a bunch more HP and Torque.

If it would have been here when I was thinking about the Super Tenere, maybe I would be on one, who knows, but the Super Tenere has some very good attributes that will be hard to give up! Would like to have CC, got everything else, plus larger fuel tank, but about the same MPG at 43 mpg @ 75mph.

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Old 02-26-2012, 08:19 AM   #1449
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Looking forward to test riding one.

I've had my Tenere for about a month now and am convinced even more every time I ride it that I made the right choice to buy it instead of the Explorer.

I'd actually like to be wrong. Always good to have something to step up to, and if the Explorer is it for me I'll have one early next year. I see this more as a matter of rider priorities as opposed to which is better. I already know what I gave up by buying the S10 , but the Explorer is going to have a high benchmark on my priorities list to match the S10 characteristics I like. We'll see...
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Old 02-26-2012, 08:52 AM   #1450
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Just what I didn't want to hear

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Got to sit on one today. Nice bike but not for me. Just getting it off the sidestand felt like my ST1300. I'm 5'9/150 so large bikes feel huge anyway, but I heard several others make the same comment after throwing a leg over it.
At 5-8/145 this is just what I didn't want to hear. From what I'd gathered before it sounded like this is a bike for big guys. Oh well, a test ride will be in order anyways...

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Old 02-26-2012, 10:47 AM   #1451
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At 5-8/145 this is just what I didn't want to hear. From what I'd gathered before it sounded like this is a bike for big guys. Oh well, a test ride will be in order anyways...

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Keep in mind with the low seat option set at the lowest setting, it's a 810mm seat height, which is practically living-room sofa low for a big ADV bike. Doesn't do anything about the weight of the Explorer, but, well, you can always add personal mass. :) At a buck-forty-five and five eight, you've definitely got some margin. Eat something!
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Old 02-26-2012, 01:24 PM   #1452
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Old 02-26-2012, 01:44 PM   #1453
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I see that according to Ash the Triumph has "the widest service intervals of any current bike".

What are the service intervals for the S10?
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Old 02-26-2012, 01:58 PM   #1454
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I see that according to Ash the Triumph has "the widest service intervals of any current bike".

What are the service intervals for the S10?
S10 Owners Manual Says

Oil changes every 6K miles
Rear end lube 12K miles
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Old 02-26-2012, 02:52 PM   #1455
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Hmm. I'm kind of on the fence. I have no plans to chop the S10 in for any other bike. It'll cost me too much, and frankly, the Yammie will probably outlive me.
As for the BMW vs Triumph schtick - here in the UK (ironically enough) BMW have better dealer backup than Triumph. Case in point - my mate at work placed a £2500 deposit for a Sprint with a Triumph dealer that went bust and lost the lot. Triumph UK told him they were under no obligation to provide either a bike or recompense, whereas all the Japanese importers provided customers with bikes or their deposits. Then there is the fact that Triumph have shat on a lot of damn good dealers who were with them for years (Boyer, Streetbike, Wylie and Holland) in favour of the big corporate players.
BMW dealers like Pidcocks have a huge loyal customer base which will only get bigger when the water Boxer GS pops up.
I guess that if i was in the market right now, as i was 12 months ago, then it would be nice to have all of this choice. The Triumph would more than likely head the list, but i want top flight back up and parts supply, which is what swung me in favour of the S10.
That's interesting regarding dealer availability and policies. Here in the states, BMW drove out many old mom and pop dealers by demanding a minimum size display area, etc., which some of these dealers just could not do. In the process, they lost not only customers, but a very deep knowledge base of technicians who had seen and done just about anything with these bikes. As for the rest of the brands, nearly all the japanese bikes have melded into large multi-brand dealerships (the one in my area handles Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, Suzuki and SeaDoo). There are literally no older technicians in the repair departments anymore, and the most common method of diagnosing is to keep replacing parts until the problem goes away. In the good old days, the smaller dealerships had a handful of people who did everything, and thus knew the bikes well. Not so anymore. Probably the only brand to still have some of these type of dealers left is Harley Davidson, and of course their technology has not changed nearly as quickly as other brands, so that gives them an advantage as well.The Triumph network here in the states has had some dealers go out in this recent economic meltdown, and some of these were just getting some momentum. As good as any bike may be, I think the dealer quality and availability is a huge factor that none of the magazines or online reviewers ever mention. For those of us that do our own wrenching, it is less an issue, but the advances in the technologies such as ride-by-wire and ABS, etc. will force most everyone back to the dealers for some services, so this has to be a very large factor when you are outlaying this kind of cash. Just my opinion.
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