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Old 02-26-2012, 05:13 PM   #1456
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The review mentions "The Triumph Tiger Explorer is heavier than the BMW, certainly, but lighter than either the Super Ténéré or the hefty Honda..."

According to the Kevin Ash review of the Super Tenere, the Triumph's wet weight is less than 1% lower than the Super Tenere (571 lbs verses 576 lbs).
Consider the Super Tenere has dry sump lubrication to lower the engine in the chassis to give a lower center of gravity.
Consider Triumph did a last minute redesign to reduce the fuel capacity to lower the bike's weight. Triumph's marketing department knows the most common criticism of the Super Tenere is the high weight, so they are afraid to market a bike even heavier.

For a good reviewer, I would expect a more informative statement like the difference in weight between the Triumph and Yamaha is "negligible."

To compare the Triumph's price, Ash says "it's a little cheaper than a similarly specced BMW." Why not say 13% higher than the Super Tenere ($15,699 verses $13,900)?
$1800 is a significant chunk of money just to get electronic cruise control...
...and lower fuel mileage and smaller tank range...

Maybe the Triumph is a better bike and worth more money. Maybe the extra ponies are just what the doctor ordered. Just saying the Ash review seems biased the way the comparisons were handled.
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Old 02-26-2012, 06:15 PM   #1457
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The review mentions "The Triumph Tiger Explorer is heavier than the BMW, certainly, but lighter than either the Super Ténéré or the hefty Honda..."

According to the Kevin Ash review of the Super Tenere, the Triumph's wet weight is less than 1% lower than the Super Tenere (571 lbs verses 576 lbs).
Consider the Super Tenere has dry sump lubrication to lower the engine in the chassis to give a lower center of gravity.
Consider Triumph did a last minute redesign to reduce the fuel capacity to lower the bike's weight. Triumph's marketing department knows the most common criticism of the Super Tenere is the high weight, so they are afraid to market a bike even heavier.

For a good reviewer, I would expect a more informative statement like the difference in weight between the Triumph and Yamaha is "negligible."

To compare the Triumph's price, Ash says "it's a little cheaper than a similarly specced BMW." Why not say 13% higher than the Super Tenere ($15,699 verses $13,900)?
$1800 is a significant chunk of money just to get electronic cruise control...
...and lower fuel mileage and smaller tank range...

Maybe the Triumph is a better bike and worth more money. Maybe the extra ponies are just what the doctor ordered. Just saying the Ash review seems biased the way the comparisons were handled.
Last minute as in years ago? I don't think weight was the reason they got rid of that ponderous design, it was somebody with an eye for aesthetics who also realizes that the money to buy these bikes does not come from people who ride from Paris to Dakar, they ride from Outer Suburbia to Starbucks. They also surely evaluated all the competition (with the exception of the CrossDresser) and saw that 200-250 mile range was indeed the norm. And they also wanted a strong family resemblance between the 800 and 1200.

And you know, you don't actually lose points for owing a S10, nobody comes and collects "winners fees" for the competing brand, nothing has changed about your bikes.

As for cost difference, it's priced on par with what an S10 used to list for. Personally, I'd indeed pay more for the triple and past satisfaction with the Triumph ownership experience.

I'm also thinking they picked the right price, because even at $1800 more in the US, I'm willing to bet it outsells the Yamaha by a considerable margin, while still coming in as a mild bargain compared to the GS.
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Old 02-26-2012, 06:22 PM   #1458
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Honestly, if I hadn't recently purchased an XC I would buy one. I think they'll be all the rage.
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Old 02-26-2012, 06:26 PM   #1459
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To compare the Triumph's price, Ash says "it's a little cheaper than a similarly specced BMW." Why not say 13% higher than the Super Tenere ($15,699 verses $13,900)?
$1800 is a significant chunk of money just to get electronic cruise control...
...and lower fuel mileage and smaller tank range.
That's just a USA price comparo. Everyone else was asked to pay through the nose for an S10.

Yamaha Europe, for instance, has had to massively discount the S10 and offer sweetners. Their post-recession mantra of 'we are the premium japanese brand' has not been absorbed by the consumer.

I'm not knocking Yahama or the S10 btw, they were hit by the Yen and the Tsunami, but the growth brands in Europe are BMW, Ducati, and Triumph. By quite a margin.
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Old 02-26-2012, 06:28 PM   #1460
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The bike is going to be good at certain things.

In typical Triumph fashion, it will serve their local market well I recon and the motor has torque in all the right places.

So does the Honda.

As far as Ash goes, you can see he is picking and choosing the targets.

The weight difference is Sweet FA 6% against the Honda.. The steering geometry will make more of a difference.

YAMAHA did take a swipe at the GS reliability, but not as brazenly as Triumph, so that they are not the only ones.

Out of the 1200's the S10 will be better for economy and range. (except the GSA on range).
Very few in Europe and the UK really care about range.

The Explorer is a Crosstourer with faster steering geometry, a few percent less weight, (claimed to claimed) and a Transformers look.

It is yet to be seen, but I still get the feeling that there will be a few sleeping explorer shots coming in the future. The Stroms may have something to worry about.

I expect the remaining 1000cc Vtroms to be heading to the shredder soon. They are really looking (and feeling) dated.

The new WasserBoxer will be heavy or weak. Take tour pick.
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Old 02-26-2012, 06:31 PM   #1461
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YAMAHA did take a swipe at the GS reliability, but not as brazenly as Triumph, so that they are not the only ones.
Tbh I was gobsmacked at the dyno stunt. I had no idea BMW gave a GS+ version to journos. I'd heard of Suzuki sneaking in better suspension, and Aprilia jacking up the rear end of the RSV, but such a difference is kinda sneaky.
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Old 02-26-2012, 08:04 PM   #1462
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The new WasserBoxer will be heavy or weak. Take tour pick.
If the GS comes close to this weight range, it'll be a 'no-go' for a number of people IMHO. They can get the hp up I'm sure, but making the GS heavier isn't attractive at all.
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Old 02-26-2012, 08:25 PM   #1463
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Has anybody placed a deposit?

Does anybody plan to?

From what I understand the bikes should be arriving in April.
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Old 02-26-2012, 09:41 PM   #1464
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I see that according to Ash the Triumph has "the widest service intervals of any current bike".
Most bikes these days are at 6K for oil changes, but Triumph is apparently going to give 10K a go, perhaps because they spec synthetic oil. I don't think there is anything fundamentally different about the Explorer engine that makes it more suitable for 10K oil changes than any other bike, so I wouldn't read too much into it - Triumph has simply arbitrarily decided that the tradeoff between engine life and maintenance expense can be compromised a little more towards reduced maintenance expense. You could do the same with your S10 or GS if you liked.

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Old 02-26-2012, 10:46 PM   #1465
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I was just curious re major service intervals for the S10 as my TDM valve adjustments are every 40,000ks (24,000m), and I suspected the S10 would be similar. Triumph thus being a little loose with the truth?

The extended oil change distance sounds like just a marketing ploy, how long between changes do they recommend time wise, 6 months?
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Old 02-27-2012, 01:30 AM   #1466
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There is another 'runner' if it handles to service interval: the Duc Multicaputi. According to the book, it needs service every 20.000 km (12.500 miles).

Problem with the Duc... You will be at the dealers workshop every 1.500 miles cause something will break down before you even have a chance to even get close to the service interval...

I think Triumph got a runner here. And bet that they will come with an 'extended fuel capacity including spoked rims' version within the next 2 years.

In the Netherlands, the bike comes standard with:
- Mainstand
- Heated saddle for rider and passenger
- Cruisecontroll
- Tractioncontroll
- Heated grips
- etc etc... All goodies which are not available on the Beemer or Honda, or only after draining your bank account additional...
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Old 02-27-2012, 07:26 AM   #1467
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Problem with the Duc... You will be at the dealers workshop every 1.500 miles cause something will break down before you even have a chance to even get close to the service interval...
And I'm sure you have a nice cite or two that will support this statement?
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Old 02-27-2012, 09:30 AM   #1468
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Another test:
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/893/12...irst-Ride.aspx
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Old 02-27-2012, 09:58 AM   #1469
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Good article. Can't wait till it gets here to the States!
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Old 02-27-2012, 10:18 AM   #1470
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Good article. Can't wait till it gets here to the States!

Good to see all the reports are saying the same sort of thing.
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