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Old 03-20-2013, 01:36 PM   #1681
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There is a God D*mn reason I ride mountain bikes as far off the road as I can go. This thread reminds me of back when I rode on the road... some of those memories aren't so good.
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Old 03-20-2013, 01:44 PM   #1682
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There is a God D*mn reason I ride mountain bikes as far off the road as I can go. This thread reminds me of back when I rode on the road... some of those memories aren't so good.
I have fond memories of bicycle riding the mountains in Florida. Snow covered peaks poking through the clouds. Yeah, great memories.
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Old 03-20-2013, 02:25 PM   #1683
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How do you gain the respect of someone while they are passing by at speed? Wave them over and have a nice chat?
Respect must be given. It MUST be given at the first opportunity. Respect can be lost, but it must at first be given.

When a police officer first meets you - do they have to first earn your respect? Same for anyone else, respect is given for a fellow human, even a dog gets respect at first.

-------------------- Sad to say but there are some posts here in this thread that have lost my respect for that person.
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Old 03-20-2013, 02:32 PM   #1684
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Yea but it all falls apart when you realize a mc is riding at the speed of the highway. Being passed at double speed would be a rare exception. I would never ride at 15mph on my mc on a road with cars going 45, I just wouldn't do it at all.
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Old 03-20-2013, 03:29 PM   #1685
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The driver of that SUV was clearly an ass. The bicycles were doing perfectly, and the SUV had plenty of room to pass with or without oncoming traffic, even at the crest.

Any road with a yellow lane down the middle has room for 2 cars and a bike. I just don't see why people can't travel past each other. Motorcycles should not block cars, bicycles should not block motorcycles, pedestrians should not block bicycles.
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Old 03-20-2013, 04:17 PM   #1686
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For example, I wont move right so someone can make an illegal pass in a blind corner, but I wont actively interfere with them either, and will get out of the way if they go for it.
this

as pushies force the car to cross double lines on a blind corner

have pushed me(opposite direction) off the road numerous times because of this

so the cyclist would blame the cage

the cage would blame the bike

mean whilst i am dead

i don't get to blame anybody

when i ride a push bike i avoid roads like this

the same way i avoid freeways on my motor bike

the same way when i'm on my mtn bike

i stay on my side

same on a dirt bike

4wd same

why do other people always cut blind corners,

thats all, pushbikes,mtnb, motor cycles

i think education

and a bit of humility

we all own the road

so don't put yourself into danger

and pls don't push other users into dangerous positions

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Old 03-20-2013, 04:30 PM   #1687
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The driver of that SUV was clearly an ass. The bicycles were doing perfectly, and the SUV had plenty of room to pass with or without oncoming traffic, even at the crest.

Any road with a yellow lane down the middle has room for 2 cars and a bike. I just don't see why people can't travel past each other. Motorcycles should not block cars, bicycles should not block motorcycles, pedestrians should not block bicycles.
yes he was a fool

the push bike riders then contributed to it

they should stop and let the fool go

had a great day

instead they kept going and videoing him

just caused more agravation

the fool will one day pick on the wrong person

so just let it go

i've had people swing baseball bats at me on my pushbike

in a simialar(spelk) situation

i saw red

wanted to kill them

but why shoild i let the fools ruin my day

karma will catch them, i hope.

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Old 03-20-2013, 04:36 PM   #1688
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as pushies force the car to cross double lines on a blind corner
Any vehicle (the first vehicle) over taking another vehicle (the second vehicle) in any manner dangerous has to be 'at fault'.

Does not matter what kind of vehicles are involved (cart, bicycle, motorcycle, truck, tractor etc). The first vehicle takes the choice to overtake, blind corner of not.
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Old 03-20-2013, 07:53 PM   #1689
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Any vehicle (the first vehicle) over taking another vehicle (the second vehicle) in any manner dangerous has to be 'at fault'.

Does not matter what kind of vehicles are involved (cart, bicycle, motorcycle, truck, tractor etc). The first vehicle takes the choice to overtake, blind corner of not.
Thank you.

I'd rather they *didn't* pass in an unsafe place/time as a matter of fact. I'm not forcing anyone to pass unsafely. That's their own decision.

Its amazing really when you stop and think about it: This ENTIRE sub-forum is dedicated to riding better, but yet there's a disconnect between basic safety measures when riding something with a motor and something without.. Its like 'you're on a bicycle. You have no right to your own safety. Now GTFOff my road ya spandex clad f------t!'



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Old 03-20-2013, 08:10 PM   #1690
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Any vehicle (the first vehicle) over taking another vehicle (the second vehicle) in any manner dangerous has to be 'at fault'.

Does not matter what kind of vehicles are involved (cart, bicycle, motorcycle, truck, tractor etc). The first vehicle takes the choice to overtake, blind corner of not.
i'm not talking legalities

i;m talking peoples mind sets

and i'm the one coming the other way who suffers for it

so have a little think about your actions

before you put other people at risk

in aus we have law(correct if i'm wrong)

even if your in the right and did not avoid the/cause the accident

then you are in the wrong

just think

as i said before i have

been to some terrible accidents

the cyclist/pedestrian/motorcyclist come off worse

so next time your forcing your rights

take a moment to think about

the fool in the cage who overtakes you on the blind corner

what can you do to stop that fool duing something foolish

just a thought

not looking for someone to blame

just being good citizens

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Old 03-21-2013, 05:39 AM   #1691
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1) silly to compare bike to a mc, I don't have a care in the world of people passing me with 3ft of room, I pass people with 3ft of room and no car is going to pass me at twice my speed on my mc.

Why is it silly. Difference in speed is just one factor. You've never had someone cut you off in your own lane on your motorcycle? If not you must be very lucky or not ride very much.

2) isn't waving traffic around or telling them to slow illegal? Something about directing traffic blah blah

No. No different than a guy riding a farm tractor waving you by when the tractor driver sees the coast is clear.


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What's different about that than someone blasting past me at double or triple my speed with minimal room to spare?

It's not a motorcycle you're talking about. Screw everything else.

So, if its OK to ride assertively on a MC why isn't it on a bicycle? Its OK to watch out for your own safety on a MC but not on a bicycle?

It's not a motorcycle you're talking about. Screw everything else.

You can ride in a manner that make you more visible/safer on a MC and I'm expected to sit back and take whatever comes on a bicycle? Does that make any kind of sense to y'all?

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Old 03-21-2013, 06:03 AM   #1692
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Respect must be given. It MUST be given at the first opportunity. Respect can be lost, but it must at first be given.

When a police officer first meets you - do they have to first earn your respect? Same for anyone else, respect is given for a fellow human, even a dog gets respect at first.

-------------------- Sad to say but there are some posts here in this thread that have lost my respect for that person.
So you're saying every bicyclist should respect someone else passing at speed and no one should give them any respect until they earn it?
Why can't the driver give a little respect to the slower moving vehicle?

Get a clue. Respect is a two way street.

I don't do shit to piss people off but I sure as hell don't automatically give anybody respect. They have to earn it. If there is a slower moving vehicle I come up on I slow until I can pass SAFELY. If that means I have to sit behind them for 20', 200' 200 Yards, whatever, I'll do it to create a safe environment for me, the person in front of me and any potential people coming at us in the other lane.
I expect that the same respect be given to me...also because it's the law!

These last couple posts I quoted are why I gave up posting on this thread a few months back. They show NO respect for anything but motorcycles and or themselves.

If you all think riding a bicycle on the road is dangerous then you should quit riding motorcycles. There are more motorcycle fatalities then bicycles...
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Old 03-21-2013, 06:28 AM   #1693
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If you all think riding a bicycle on the road is dangerous then you should quit riding motorcycles. There are more motorcycle fatalities then bicycles...
Have you got a stat on that but per km or per mile?
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Old 03-21-2013, 06:33 AM   #1694
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Have you got a stat on that but per km or per mile?
What difference does it make whether he has stats to back it up or not? Y'all won't believe it anyway.

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Old 03-21-2013, 06:39 AM   #1695
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What difference does it make whether he has stats to back it up or not? Y'all won't believe it anyway.

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Wow - you're one bitter old man, aren't you?

Anyway, I didn't see per mile / km injuries or fatalities for bicycles or motorcycles there. What'd I miss?
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