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Old 09-27-2013, 11:40 AM   #3541
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Filtering to to the front isn't so much of a problem if the cyclist can/willing to work with the flow.

As a driver I much rather have the cyclist move up to the front and then back out of the way. Makes my line shorter .
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Old 09-27-2013, 11:41 AM   #3542
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I'm trying to understand littleredtoyota's claim that I said I was filtering to the front of stopped traffic and then impeding it?
you made several posts stating that you filter to the front of traffic at red lights. those posts followed a couple pages of posts specifically talking about situations where cyclists filter to the front and then do impede traffic.

you even included this in one of them:

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...except that some may have to possibly pass you again.
making them pass you again, if they have to wait to be able to do it (which is the situation that was being discussed), is impeding traffic flow.

perhaps i misunderstood what you meant. but, given the context and your words, i think i did draw a reasonable conclusion.

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In all cases I was riding along side the cars with enough room, and was out of their way within a block or less.
so you are impeding them for a block. a block isn't a big deal...unless you do it at every light and keep holding up the same cars over and over for a block (especially if those cars would have made it through the next light if you had not held them up).
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Old 09-27-2013, 02:23 PM   #3543
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Care to expand on this statement?
A bicyclist who filters to the front then takes right tire track in a narrow lane with oncoming traffic cannot be safely passed. Same with a rider who takes the lane on a road with oncoming traffic. If you are going to filter to the front, you damn well better not be an impediment to the people you just passed. It's akin to butting in line and making others wait on you.
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Old 09-27-2013, 02:24 PM   #3544
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A bicyclist who filters to the front then takes right tire track in a narrow lane with oncoming traffic cannot be safely passed. Same with a rider who takes the lane on a road with oncoming traffic. If you are going to filter to the front, you damn well better not be an impediment to the people you just passed. It's akin to butting in line and making others wait on you.
I feel the same way...and won't do it.
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Old 09-27-2013, 02:25 PM   #3545
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never said you did.
You asked me the question. I can't give an explanation for something I don't do, don't understand and don't condone.
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Old 09-27-2013, 02:42 PM   #3546
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These days I don't do a lot of riding in urban traffic. The nearest stoplight is 10 miles from my house. The next nearest is 15 in the other direction.
Neither of these are within miles of any others.

So If I were to queue with the cars, it would be with a huge risk of getting rear-ended. Plus, the drivers would not generally expect to find a bicycle in the line, and would probably consider the bike to be more of an obstruction than if they were to the side.
There are no worries about getting passed multiple times between lights in the area.
There are some roads closer to the larger towns where this happens,but I haven't witnessed any situations where getting around the bike was a problem.
In dense urban areas I can see where queing with the cars makes sense, and certainly it's what you do in a dedicated left or right turn lane. But for the through lanes on many of the roads here, it would be pretty risky.

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Old 09-27-2013, 02:46 PM   #3547
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You asked me the question. I can't give an explanation for something I don't do, don't understand and don't condone.
i had pointed out to another poster that skipping to the front of the line at red lights and then holding up traffic...or running a stop sign when there is a car already stopped at the cross street stop sign...is selfish and should not be "tolerated". i said:

"entitled, me-first behavior that causes problems for others and even puts others in danger should never be tolerated, though."

you responded to that post saying it served "a greater purpose" (which, after reading some of your other posts, struck me as odd since your other posts agreed that skipping to the front of the line and then holding everyone else up is selfish). so, i asked you what greater purpose.

we're actually in agreement.

there is context to this discussion. it is not "all bicyclists"...it is about a specific set of behaviors--behaviors that you and i (and others) seem to agree are selfish.
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Old 09-27-2013, 04:38 PM   #3548
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i had pointed out to another poster that skipping to the front of the line at red lights and then holding up traffic...or running a stop sign when there is a car already stopped at the cross street stop sign...is selfish and should not be "tolerated". i said:

"entitled, me-first behavior that causes problems for others and even puts others in danger should never be tolerated, though."
Situation:
I stop behind the cars in front of me behind the red traffic lights. Lights turn green. Cars behind me cannot pass me, I won't make the lights and delay every one behind me.

Alternate; I filter to the front. Keep to the side as I cross so following traffic can go past safely, once on the other side of the intersection I still keep to the side but have to take some of the lane, but the lane is now wider (no turning lanes taking room, and less traffic due to those turned off) or there are multiple lanes both moving at about the same speed so they can merge around me.

I've taken the view that in some situation the alternative is better than the first - this is dependent on the traffic movement and road configuration.

Filtering to the front IS legal in some parts of the world .. and encouraged by some regulators - eg cyclist boxes at the front in London.
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Old 09-27-2013, 05:25 PM   #3549
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Situation:
I stop behind the cars in front of me behind the red traffic lights. Lights turn green. Cars behind me cannot pass me, I won't make the lights and delay every one behind me.

Alternate; I filter to the front. Keep to the side as I cross so following traffic can go past safely, once on the other side of the intersection I still keep to the side but have to take some of the lane, but the lane is now wider (no turning lanes taking room, and less traffic due to those turned off) or there are multiple lanes both moving at about the same speed so they can merge around me.

I've taken the view that in some situation the alternative is better than the first - this is dependent on the traffic movement and road configuration.

Filtering to the front IS legal in some parts of the world .. and encouraged by some regulators - eg cyclist boxes at the front in London.
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Old 09-28-2013, 11:39 AM   #3550
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From Austin TX PD...

Seems like common sense to me - if nice to see Austin PD applying it.

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Old 09-28-2013, 11:53 AM   #3551
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Just vote NO for special rights for bicycles.
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Old 09-28-2013, 12:26 PM   #3552
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Just vote NO for special rights for bicycles.
I agree. Either that or allow motorcycles the same priviledges as the bicycles.
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Old 09-28-2013, 02:25 PM   #3553
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I agree. Either that or allow motorcycles the same priviledges as the bicycles.
How about lane sharing to start off with?
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Old 09-28-2013, 07:10 PM   #3554
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Cyclist are able to ride single file on the side, which would give drivers an opportunity to pass, but instead, choose to plug up the road. Do cyclist really need to ride side by side holding their boyfriends hand? As far as semi's and farm tractors? The world wakes up hungry every day. If wasn't for these guys, life would suk. Exactly what contribution did the cyclist make to society today? Oh yah, right, they made my ass red.
Go back a few pages. I've done the maths for you. A group taking up the whole lane is actually BETTER for you (and safer for us) than the same group in single file.

Think about that for a while. You'll see that despite thinking you want a group to 'single up' you're better off with us in a clump. For many reasons explained previously.

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Old 09-28-2013, 07:16 PM   #3555
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I've taken the view that in some situation the alternative is better than the first - this is dependent on the traffic movement and road configuration.
this

Depends on the situation. There's no '1 size fits all' rule that'll work.

I'll +1 on the moto lane sharing nationwide thing. Makes too much sense to NOT share lanes.

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