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Old 10-31-2011, 05:47 PM   #16
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KTM is a very grass roots company in terms of promotion and advertising. And they pretty much put all of their eggs in their "Rally" events. The Dakar rally alone is enough to break most companies coffers. KTM really doesn't do much in the way of US promotions either. Their Baja 1000 promotions have been pretty half baked from what I've heard, at best. They just didn't have the motivation to offer any support to the Long Way Round crew. Nor did they feel they would have any image control in the end. And I'm not so sure the KTM Adventure would have made the type of difference the Long Way Round crew was looking for. Perhaps the 950 SE would have been a better choice, with an additional rear fuel cell? Even then you still don't have a bike that's easy to remove out of the mud.
is there a bike that is easy to get out of the mud?
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Old 10-31-2011, 05:53 PM   #17
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From what I have read, it just seems like the biggest problem is what they said in the show. They wanted free bikes and support. The one thing I don't understand is why they did not set the bikes up better. They should have reinforced the subframes. That seem to be he only problem they were having. And not disconnecting the battery when they welded it.
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Old 10-31-2011, 06:10 PM   #18
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Bin the TLWR Spoilt brats and watch this.

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Old 10-31-2011, 06:22 PM   #19
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Isn't that what we all want?

Looking at the series I thought (*) their reaction was a little bit arrogant when they didn't get the free bikes, as they just expected. If they wanted to ride with KTM's, they could have just bought KTM's (as all of us have done, including some people here in the OC who also ride a world tour).

(*) based on only what is edited into the series
That over-the-top drama in the first episode soured me on the whole enterprise. ("A little bit arrogant" is a huge understatement.) I still watch the DVDs every now and then but I always skip the first one. I know, they did the miles, they should get credit for that, but jeez, what a couple of well-off, entitled whiners.
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Old 10-31-2011, 06:55 PM   #20
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...The GS's could have blown up and killed Ewan and Charlie, and BMW would still sell a ton of them...
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is there a bike that is easy to get out of the mud?




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Old 10-31-2011, 07:04 PM   #21
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I have met Ewan who came across as a nice bloke. I have also met charlie 3 times and each time thought he was a cock, i have heard that he was pretty much broke and a failed actor before LWR but tbh he just does not comes across as a humble well traveled person which so many RTW travelers or to be honest bikers do in general!

I might be wrong but its just how he came across!

Shame really but there you go!
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Old 10-31-2011, 07:44 PM   #22
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Bin the TLWR Spoilt brats and watch this.

I've seen this. It's marvelous. This group's entire operating budget was less than it took to stock the espresso machine in C&E's garage.
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Old 10-31-2011, 09:01 PM   #23
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is there a bike that is easy to get out of the mud?
Yeah... an SE



We had to lift the others out too... XT 600, DRZ400 and Tenere
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Old 10-31-2011, 09:12 PM   #24
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I had an opportunity to talk to a KTM person at a trade show about nine moths ago. There was a Belstaff exhibit across from them that had Ewan/Charley posters all over the place. I actually really liked LWR but own a KTM. I mentioned the KTM snub to him and he relied "heads are still rolling within KTM over that. Every doctor and dentist in North America ran out and bought a GSA after LWR". Interesting bit of perspective.
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Old 10-31-2011, 10:41 PM   #25
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the one thing being overlooked here is the Rusky who was sent by KTM to check out the proposed route the lads were taking.....as I recall he wasn't to enthusiastic....might also have swayed things for KTM
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Old 11-01-2011, 04:35 AM   #26
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Word from Mattighofen

I was fortunate enought to visit Mattighofen last year and was well received one to one by a young chap from marketing. LWR came up during the conversation and he also told me that it is recognised as one of their biggest ever marketing gaffes, and that heads did roll.

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Old 11-01-2011, 05:13 AM   #27
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I was fortunate enought to visit Mattighofen last year and was well received one to one by a young chap from marketing. LWR came up during the conversation and he also told me that it is recognised as one of their biggest ever marketing gaffes, and that heads did roll.
KTM just messed up plain and simple,they didnt think they could make it so didnt participate,shame,i have a 990 and have owned both BMW adventure bikes and the KTM would have done the job no probs imho.....Maybe its time for KTM to do a big high profile trip.......
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Old 11-01-2011, 06:02 AM   #28
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I’ve heard a few rumours like they wanted full KTM sponsorship, etc. What I have been told by someone who would know (mum’s the word) OB1, Boardman and the camera man went through a total of four GS’s each for long way round...
I have a reallly hard time believing this. "Went through" must count bikes they scratched up in training and bikes being used for marketing purposes now.

They only rode about 20,000 miles and a huge chunk of that was on paved roads. Sure most of the show was the interesting off road stuff, but most of the trip was on roads. With all the tails of GS with hundreds of thousands of miles on them around the world I can't imagine 3 guys using up 4 each in 20k miles.
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Old 11-01-2011, 08:03 AM   #29
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When you watch the video look at the tyres the day before they have a day off to site see and then the tyres when they set off in the morning, road to TCK and then back to road the next time they site see, never saw them doing any tyre changes and when the bikes braking get affected after the welding how/who fixed it.
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Old 11-01-2011, 08:40 AM   #30
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I have a reallly hard time believing this. "Went through" must count bikes they scratched up in training and bikes being used for marketing purposes now.

They only rode about 20,000 miles and a huge chunk of that was on paved roads. Sure most of the show was the interesting off road stuff, but most of the trip was on roads. With all the tails of GS with hundreds of thousands of miles on them around the world I can't imagine 3 guys using up 4 each in 20k miles.
Could be bullshit, supposedly from someone who was involved. If I was BMW, a back up bike or two, three four wouldn’t be that farfetched. Point is you can fix any bike in the field if you have the time, or buy another bike. It wouldn’t surprise me if BMW had strategically shipped other bikes to major stops, so if any major problems with their current bikes they could be swopped and then worked on before being shipped to other cities on route, and nobody’s nun the wiser. I’ve talk to guys with over 250k on their GS’s and also knock a jug off.

What annoys me about the films they made is the editing in full Hollywood style, fact is they had backup trucks, medics, a whole logistics team including BMW. The fact is a multimillionaire actor reviving his chum’s career (son of a famous Director), were just always a sat phones call away from helicopter support.
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