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Old 01-04-2012, 11:56 AM   #466
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There's a good Stoner interview by Mat Oxley in the Feb. 2012 issue of Roadracing World.

Conventional wisdom has it that the 800's favor high cornerspeed, 250-type, front-tire oriented riders, right? Except Casey says he carries the high cornerspeed with the rear tire, i.e., with just as much lean angle and speed as Jorge, but with the balance tending rearward, steering on the throttle. Says it seems safer to him. I've never heard or read it described quite this way. Definitely not point-n-shoot Superbike or flat-tracker stuff. Definitely pretty neat.
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Old 01-04-2012, 12:11 PM   #467
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That's how I saw it too. It was an amazing save, but it should not be considered a master piece of strategy. But, some seem to think of it that way.
Watch "Fastest" the movie...Vale said he did the same thing once in a practice session..in reference to the dirt ride of corkscrew at Laguna. Not that he intentionally did it during the race...but he had a back of mind idea of what would happen. Neither time was on purpose mind you.

Someone correct me if I am wrong......that is what I am remembering from the movie, but I could be wrong and talking out my ass.

Good reason for me to rewatch it again.
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Old 01-04-2012, 12:36 PM   #468
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Watch "Fastest" the movie...Vale said he did the same thing once in a practice session..in reference to the dirt ride of corkscrew at Laguna. Not that he intentionally did it during the race...but he had a back of mind idea of what would happen. Neither time was on purpose mind you.

Someone correct me if I am wrong......that is what I am remembering from the movie, but I could be wrong and talking out my ass.

Good reason for me to rewatch it again.
All I remember of Rossi talking of the move was he called it a "Simoncelli move". And feeling an odd kind of irony that he thought it was funny at the time.
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Old 01-04-2012, 12:48 PM   #469
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Agostini and Hailwood in the 50/60s didn't have any competition like Doohan, Rainey, and Rossi in the late 80's, 90's and 2000's. NOT EVEN CLOSE!
Ah, but they had each other . . .
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Old 01-04-2012, 12:51 PM   #470
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And the one who will always remain a question mark of how good he really might have been was Saarinen - he really seemed to have figured it all out in his brief career.
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Old 01-04-2012, 01:12 PM   #471
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and the one who will always remain a question mark of how good he really might have been was saarinen - he really seemed to have figured it all out in his brief career.
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Old 01-04-2012, 01:14 PM   #472
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How can one compare racers of different era's with eachother? Surtees and his peers raced totally different equipment than Ago and jarno. KR found it faster to steer with the rear. The modern era favors wheels in line. Given the spread of technology and what it required of the rider, the only thing you can count is results. If that's all there is than the greatest is Ago.

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Old 01-04-2012, 07:10 PM   #473
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Meh, Stoner is an assstoundingly talented Moto GP alien .

Eesh, how far away is the first race again where Stoner will easily win??
Fixed it for ya mate.
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Old 01-04-2012, 07:19 PM   #474
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And the one who will always remain a question mark of how good he really might have been was Saarinen - he really seemed to have figured it all out in his brief career.
Yes, Saarinen and Pasolini taken in the same day was one of the great tragedies in motorsport.
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Old 01-04-2012, 08:38 PM   #475
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How can one compare racers of different era's with eachother? Surtees and his peers raced totally different equipment than Ago and jarno. KR found it faster to steer with the rear. The modern era favors wheels in line. Given the spread of technology and what it required of the rider, the only thing you can count is results. If that's all there is than the greatest is Ago.

No?
That is my point. I think if Ago were in his prime today, he would kicking butt just like he did in his day on bias plys. It's in his heart....... Can't argue his results......

And until someone beats them, I am wearing his helmet pattern.
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I'm guessing it's the off-season.

As for the GOAT argument (apart from the fact that Angel Nieto is always criminally overlooked...), we will only be able to decide who was the Greatest Of All Time once All of Time is over. The theoretical physicists are still debating when and if this will happen. Personally, I don't think the GOAT has been born yet.

Nice try, and you got some going, but the "Of All Time" bit has always referred to known time, and not to merely possible time. The Greatest Of All Time is the greatest of all the time that has elapsed.

Sure, someone even greater may emerge in the near or distant future, if it turns out there is a near or distant future.

But today and every day, we know who all the GOAT candidates are, and always have.
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Nice try, and you got some going, but the "Of All Time" bit has always referred to known time, and not to merely possible time. The Greatest Of All Time is the greatest of all the time that has elapsed.

Sure, someone even greater may emerge in the near or distant future, if it turns out there is a near or distant future.

But today and every day, we know who all the GOAT candidates are, and always have.

HOW long until the first race???


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Old 01-05-2012, 10:06 AM   #478
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All I remember of Rossi talking of the move was he called it a "Simoncelli move". And feeling an odd kind of irony that he thought it was funny at the time.
Yeah.. I view that pass in the corkscrew as a big mistake that just happened to work out well for Rossi. A mistake that didn't result in a crash and happened to get him the lead.
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Yeah.. I view that pass in the corkscrew as a big mistake that just happened to work out well for Rossi. A mistake that didn't result in a crash and happened to get him the lead.
That's how it looked to me. I pictured this in his helmet "oh fuck, I'm gonna crash, ooohhh, I think I can save it, hey, I can take the lead if I just keep going!"
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I'm guessing it's the off-season.

As for the GOAT argument (apart from the fact that Angel Nieto is always criminally overlooked...), we will only be able to decide who was the Greatest Of All Time once All of Time is over. The theoretical physicists are still debating when and if this will happen. Personally, I don't think the GOAT has been born yet.
I think December 21, 2012 has been pretty well accepted as the end of time, so we can base it on that.
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