Yooperbikemike's 2012 MotoGP Thread - Page 51

bingbong · 02-07-2012, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Silver

And on a bike he feels he can improve upon.

he sure needs to

stk0308 · 02-07-2012, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by cogitate

I also read that Vale just had the rod removed from the leg he broke in practice at Mugello 2010.

He will be lighter, faster, and pissed off. Good combo

Or it'll become the next convienent excuse for less than stellar results. He rode the shoulder excuse into the ground...so to speak.

stk0308 · 02-07-2012, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Silver

ValeYellow46 Valentino Rossi
more real compare the first 5 season of me with the first 5 of Stoner.@HRC_MotoGP @MOTOCI_Maroto .

I see it more as a case of what have you done lately.

wiseblood · 02-07-2012, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by stk0308

I see it more as a case of what have you done lately.

Lots of do-nothings floating around:

shrineclown · 02-07-2012, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by HoneyBunz

Will 2012 be worse or better than 2011?

It will be more interesting with the new bikes. Then again, he is Casey Stoner. But Lorenzo, hopefully Spies and Rossi should be closer. I'd like to say Nicky too, but you guys will berate me. Plus his teammate should be stout if he can stay healthy all year.

BOOTLACE · 02-07-2012, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by shrineclown

It will be more interesting with the new bikes. Then again, he is Casey Stoner. But Lorenzo, hopefully Spies and Rossi should be closer. I'd like to say Nicky too, but you guys will berate me. Plus his teammate should be stout if he can stay healthy all year.

Agreed. And the MAIN players are all healthy, and ready to go. And looking at the times from that first test, you'd have to say Ducati has done an absolutely awesome job, to come up with something that (seemingly) competitive in such a short timeframe. here's hoping they're on the right track!
Should be a cracker of a season. And if they can't keep up with Stoner, I'm sure the racing behind will be fascinating. I'm thinking this could be a VERY good year for Mr Speeeze......

Pilbara · 02-08-2012, 05:47 AM

Honda's much-awaited 1000cc MotoGP contender, the RC213V, was unveiled at a Repsol Honda news conference last week prior to three days of official testing at the Sepang circuit in Malaysia. The RC213V replaces its 800cc predecessor, the 2011 championship-winning RC212V, with much riding on the shoulders of Casey Stoner and Dani Pedrosa for the new season.

Check these out

The word dominate doesn't even begin to describe the performance of the Repsol Honda team in last year's Moto GP season. Stoner won the title by 90 points, Andrea Dovizioso finished third, Pedrosa came in a close fourth and overall the team notched up 13 wins in 17 races.

In 2012 the rules have changed ... and so have the bikes. The MotoGP class rules now stipulate a maximum engine capacity of 1000cc, a maximum cylinder bore of 81mm and a maximum of 4 cylinders, although it can be a V-4, inline 4 or a flat 4 ... and no, a radial 4 won't work. Minimum dry weight of the motorcycle is set at 153 kg. Multi-World Champ Valentino Rossi has been a strong advocate of an increase in engine capacity since the reduction from 990cc to 800cc in 2007.

For Honda this means going from the 800cc RC212V to the 1000cc RC213V.

RC213V

Speaking about the new bike, Shuhei Nakamoto, Honda Racing Corporation (HRC) Executive Vice President, kept his cards close to his chest.

"The engine and chassis were developed last year because of the regulation change," said Nakamoto. "We kept the same concept from the last years 800 machine. We expect this machine to be competitive enough to win the championship again this year. Even with the 800 machine you must reduce the power from first through fourth gear. With the 800, fifth gear, sixth gear, we could use the full power, then in a straight line. Of course this machine is a little bit faster. But time was gained only in fifth and sixth gear in the acceleration area. At the same time, the top speed is higher, meaning sometimes you must brake a little bit earlier. Then the cornering performance, if the chassis or tyres are virtually the same, it means that the cornering performance is exactly the same. So the new engine couldn't make such a big difference. Then if you want gain the time, therefore you need more braking stability. And also we are having our chattering problems that we have to fix. Then I expect, of course, the lap time is better than 800, but not such a big difference, I expect."

On the track

And so Nakamoto's predictions came to pass. In three days of testing in hot, stifling conditions, Aussie Stoner set the fastest ever lap of the Sepang circuit despite a re-occurrence of a painful back injury. Taking advantage of the cooler morning sessions he set a time some 0.591s ahead of Yamaha's Jorge Lorenzo, but not without some concerns. Testing confirmed that the extra speed puts a greater emphasis on braking, particularly stability before the corner, and this needs improving. Likewise the electronic management that controls power delivery. Already electronics was limiting the amount of power in the 800 's first 4 gears, and the greater torque of the 1000cc engine made matters worse. Thirdly, the extra weight, power and speed proved more physically demanding, particularly for the diminutive Pedrosa. Tire chatter with the latest Bridgestone control tires also plagued the riders during the tests, but may prove to be less of a problem at other tracks.

"It's been a good test in general," said World champ Casey Stoner. "We only managed two out of the three days, unfortunately, but the weather has been really good to us and we've been able to do what we planned. The day I missed hasn't affected us too much and we've managed to complete our testing program. To be honest, I think track conditions on the first day weren't that great anyway, as the lap times were not so fast. I'm still not feeling great with my back, but the bike is ok, so we've made progress in reducing the chatter a little more and trying a few different things, some small settings on the shock that we haven't tried before amongst other points. So far it's been pretty positive, we'll just have to wait and see what we have for the next test and hopefully improve a little more."

Team mate Pedrosa was a little less up-beat with the effects of the high temperatures and punishing testing regime taking a physical toll. "Three days testing here in Malaysia is very tiring," he commented. "Anyway, it been worth it to do a general test of the engine, chassis and tires and overall it is the biggest test we have done on this bike and we have good data to analyze and can start to build up points we need for the second test. As I said yesterday, the biggest point to improve is on braking, and we are also working on the electronics to improve the management of the power and the grip level. The chatter is still there; I know it's something very difficult to fix, but I am sure Honda is working hard on it. In general, it's been a positive test for us and we will come back here in three weeks with new ideas. This bike is physically more demanding, you feel the power in the acceleration, the speed under hard braking and also the extra weight, but it's alright. I will keep working hard physically to prepare for the second test".

The next three-day Sepang test begins on Feb. 28.

Honda RC213V specifications
Overall length (mm): 2,052
Overall width (mm): 645
Overall height (mm):1,110
Wheelbase (mm): 1,435
Road clearance (mm): 115
Weight (kg): over 153
Engine type: liquid-cooled, four-stroke, DOHC 4 valve, V-4
Displacement (cc): 1000
Maximum power (KW): Over 170
Frame type: Aluminum twin-tube
Wheels: Front (inch): 16.5, Rear (inch): 16.5
Suspension: Front: Telescopic fork, Rear: Pro-link
Fuel tank capacity (litres): 21

sailor22 · 02-08-2012, 05:50 AM

You guys are all taking about the pointy end - how about the other race on the same track at the same time? IF BMW gets its electronics sorted I'm thinking Collin will catch a couple satelite bikes by mid year. The black opps Aprillia factory CRT/GP bike will show very well also.

Moto 3 is going to be really fun to watch too. Looks to be a real scrum with so many manufacturers making fresh engines. Just wish there were more english language web/news sites with an interest in the class so those of us in the states could stay current a little easier.

fleshpiston · 02-08-2012, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by sailor22

Moto 3 is going to be really fun to watch too. Looks to be a real scrum with so many manufacturers making fresh engines. Just wish there were more english language web/news sites with an interest in the class so those of us in the states could stay current a little easier.

Agreed, who else is making engines? Honda, KTM, and..... ?

.

UngaWunga · 02-08-2012, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by sailor22

You guys are all taking about the pointy end - how about the other race on the same track at the same time? IF BMW gets its electronics sorted I'm thinking Collin will catch a couple satelite bikes by mid year. The black opps Aprillia factory CRT/GP bike will show very well also.

I find it funny that the videos have the BMW engine popping and cracking on traction control like their WSBK mid-pack bike did. Makes me think they didn't learn a thing from flushing the WSBK team of non-Germans last year.

stk0308 · 02-08-2012, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by UngaWunga

I find it funny that the videos have the BMW engine popping and cracking on traction control like their WSBK mid-pack bike did. Makes me think they didn't learn a thing from flushing the WSBK team of non-Germans last year.

Are we sure it's BMW who is working on the electronics in MotoGP, and not the team? Seems that the team would be more likely too me.

sailor22 · 02-08-2012, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by fleshpiston

Agreed, who else is making engines? Honda, KTM, and..... ?

.

Oral

Turder · 02-08-2012, 11:37 AM

... and Mahindra. Indian-owned but Italian-engineered.

What engines Ioda racing uses?

RichBeBe · 02-08-2012, 02:41 PM

I looked at the Moto3 results from today and they do not say much. Such big gaps, and can't tell if there was one flyer and the rest slow. I am curious if one manufacturer will have an advantage over the other at the beginning of the season. The rules are there for close racing, but it is hard to say if it will be there at the beginning.
Anyone have any good insight into how close they will be?

Pilbara · 02-08-2012, 06:31 PM

this one on Gizmag site

Cheers
Pilbara

02-08-2012, 05:47 AM	#757
Pilbara In the flow... Joined: Dec 2005 Location: Shire of East Pilbara - The worlds largest shire Oddometer: 1,508	Rc213v Honda's much-awaited 1000cc MotoGP contender, the RC213V, was unveiled at a Repsol Honda news conference last week prior to three days of official testing at the Sepang circuit in Malaysia. The RC213V replaces its 800cc predecessor, the 2011 championship-winning RC212V, with much riding on the shoulders of Casey Stoner and Dani Pedrosa for the new season. Check these out The word dominate doesn't even begin to describe the performance of the Repsol Honda team in last year's Moto GP season. Stoner won the title by 90 points, Andrea Dovizioso finished third, Pedrosa came in a close fourth and overall the team notched up 13 wins in 17 races. In 2012 the rules have changed ... and so have the bikes. The MotoGP class rules now stipulate a maximum engine capacity of 1000cc, a maximum cylinder bore of 81mm and a maximum of 4 cylinders, although it can be a V-4, inline 4 or a flat 4 ... and no, a radial 4 won't work. Minimum dry weight of the motorcycle is set at 153 kg. Multi-World Champ Valentino Rossi has been a strong advocate of an increase in engine capacity since the reduction from 990cc to 800cc in 2007. For Honda this means going from the 800cc RC212V to the 1000cc RC213V. RC213V Speaking about the new bike, Shuhei Nakamoto, Honda Racing Corporation (HRC) Executive Vice President, kept his cards close to his chest. "The engine and chassis were developed last year because of the regulation change," said Nakamoto. "We kept the same concept from the last years 800 machine. We expect this machine to be competitive enough to win the championship again this year. Even with the 800 machine you must reduce the power from first through fourth gear. With the 800, fifth gear, sixth gear, we could use the full power, then in a straight line. Of course this machine is a little bit faster. But time was gained only in fifth and sixth gear in the acceleration area. At the same time, the top speed is higher, meaning sometimes you must brake a little bit earlier. Then the cornering performance, if the chassis or tyres are virtually the same, it means that the cornering performance is exactly the same. So the new engine couldn't make such a big difference. Then if you want gain the time, therefore you need more braking stability. And also we are having our chattering problems that we have to fix. Then I expect, of course, the lap time is better than 800, but not such a big difference, I expect." On the track And so Nakamoto's predictions came to pass. In three days of testing in hot, stifling conditions, Aussie Stoner set the fastest ever lap of the Sepang circuit despite a re-occurrence of a painful back injury. Taking advantage of the cooler morning sessions he set a time some 0.591s ahead of Yamaha's Jorge Lorenzo, but not without some concerns. Testing confirmed that the extra speed puts a greater emphasis on braking, particularly stability before the corner, and this needs improving. Likewise the electronic management that controls power delivery. Already electronics was limiting the amount of power in the 800 's first 4 gears, and the greater torque of the 1000cc engine made matters worse. Thirdly, the extra weight, power and speed proved more physically demanding, particularly for the diminutive Pedrosa. Tire chatter with the latest Bridgestone control tires also plagued the riders during the tests, but may prove to be less of a problem at other tracks. "It's been a good test in general," said World champ Casey Stoner. "We only managed two out of the three days, unfortunately, but the weather has been really good to us and we've been able to do what we planned. The day I missed hasn't affected us too much and we've managed to complete our testing program. To be honest, I think track conditions on the first day weren't that great anyway, as the lap times were not so fast. I'm still not feeling great with my back, but the bike is ok, so we've made progress in reducing the chatter a little more and trying a few different things, some small settings on the shock that we haven't tried before amongst other points. So far it's been pretty positive, we'll just have to wait and see what we have for the next test and hopefully improve a little more." Team mate Pedrosa was a little less up-beat with the effects of the high temperatures and punishing testing regime taking a physical toll. "Three days testing here in Malaysia is very tiring," he commented. "Anyway, it been worth it to do a general test of the engine, chassis and tires and overall it is the biggest test we have done on this bike and we have good data to analyze and can start to build up points we need for the second test. As I said yesterday, the biggest point to improve is on braking, and we are also working on the electronics to improve the management of the power and the grip level. The chatter is still there; I know it's something very difficult to fix, but I am sure Honda is working hard on it. In general, it's been a positive test for us and we will come back here in three weeks with new ideas. This bike is physically more demanding, you feel the power in the acceleration, the speed under hard braking and also the extra weight, but it's alright. I will keep working hard physically to prepare for the second test". The next three-day Sepang test begins on Feb. 28. Honda RC213V specifications Overall length (mm): 2,052 Overall width (mm): 645 Overall height (mm):1,110 Wheelbase (mm): 1,435 Road clearance (mm): 115 Weight (kg): over 153 Engine type: liquid-cooled, four-stroke, DOHC 4 valve, V-4 Displacement (cc): 1000 Maximum power (KW): Over 170 Frame type: Aluminum twin-tube Wheels: Front (inch): 16.5, Rear (inch): 16.5 Suspension: Front: Telescopic fork, Rear: Pro-link Fuel tank capacity (litres): 21

02-08-2012, 11:37 AM	#763
Turder Throttle engineer Joined: May 2010 Location: Finland Oddometer: 372	... and Mahindra. Indian-owned but Italian-engineered. What engines Ioda racing uses? __________________ Okay, I will be arrest.

02-08-2012, 06:31 PM	#765
Pilbara In the flow... Joined: Dec 2005 Location: Shire of East Pilbara - The worlds largest shire Oddometer: 1,508	Another, Duc MotoGP test report this one on Gizmag site Cheers Pilbara

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02-08-2012, 05:50 AM	#758
sailor22 Jay Pegg pusher Joined: Sep 2005 Location: Steamy Florida Swamps Oddometer: 258	You guys are all taking about the pointy end - how about the other race on the same track at the same time? IF BMW gets its electronics sorted I'm thinking Collin will catch a couple satelite bikes by mid year. The black opps Aprillia factory CRT/GP bike will show very well also. Moto 3 is going to be really fun to watch too. Looks to be a real scrum with so many manufacturers making fresh engines. Just wish there were more english language web/news sites with an interest in the class so those of us in the states could stay current a little easier.

02-08-2012, 02:41 PM	#764
RichBeBe All Hail Seitan!!! Joined: Mar 2004 Location: NYC Oddometer: 5,561	I looked at the Moto3 results from today and they do not say much. Such big gaps, and can't tell if there was one flyer and the rest slow. I am curious if one manufacturer will have an advantage over the other at the beginning of the season. The rules are there for close racing, but it is hard to say if it will be there at the beginning. Anyone have any good insight into how close they will be?