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Old 04-14-2012, 07:35 PM   #256
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Looks quite intriguing that CRF250L, in fact the reason I came to learn of its existence was while watching a video online of a CBR250R and thinking that might just be the perfect engine to toss into a dual sport chassis.
A few minutes later on google reveals not only has this bike already been though thought of, but is already selling in some parts of Asia.

Now for the folks concerned with this portly little dual sport and its 315 lb. curb weight, there is one aspect that people seem to ignore; total combined rider-bike weight. So lets say you're like the ever growing majority of this nation and have a little extra baggage yourself, consider it a healthy incentive to purchase this bike by dropping that 15 - 20 lb. from your own waistline equating to less overall weight the bike has to pull, and perhaps even increased stamina for those more intense rides.

"IF" Honda decides to bring this bike into the US I would seriously consider it, if by some miracle they not only bring the bike to the states but do it before the end of the summer, and manage to keep cost around (preferably under) the 5K mark well I would give it a second thought but the weather here in Maine is starting to warm up and I need me a bike ASAP.

Almost forgot, heres the link to see the bike start-up and run

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Old 04-14-2012, 09:32 PM   #257
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August...

FYI, my neighbour asked a local (Montreal) Honda dealer and they said it will be available in August...
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Old 04-16-2012, 08:00 AM   #258
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The weight of this bike is ridiculous. Per the Honda motorcycle of Japan website, the CRF250L weighs 315 lbs (143 kg) whereas the the CRF250X weighs only 233 lbs (106 kg). How in the world does the smaller CRF250L with turn signals, mirrors and a tag bracket weigh 82 pounds more than the CRF250X???

Fully fueled, the CRF250L will weigh at least 327 lbs. Thats 60 lbs more than the bike it replaces (CRF230L). Through rough terrain, I think I would be faster on the 230!
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Old 04-16-2012, 08:31 AM   #259
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Well, I just had look at the specs on another forum:

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The Honda CRF 250L's ground clearance is 258mm or 10.1 inches

CFR250L seat height is 882mm or 34.7 inches

Front suspension: 43mm USD forks. Non-adjustable with 9.8 inches of travel.

Rear suspension: Pro-Link monoshock with Adjustable Preload and 9.4 inches of travel.
I wasn't that put off by the weight, but a non-adjustable suspension (well, preload only on the ass end, tbh) is a bit of a deal breaker for me, despite whatever mileage it may get.

I happen to live 40 miles away from the factory where they make this thing:


http://www.ajpmotos.com/en/products/ajp_pr5_enduro.html

XR250 licensed copy motor, EFI, decent suspension, lightweight and cheaper than a KLX. Comes standard with lights, blinkers and footrests for passenger too. Only thing is I'd have to bungee all cargo on me if I buy it :)
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Old 04-16-2012, 08:44 AM   #260
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...for the folks concerned with this portly little dual sport and its 315 lb. curb weight, there is one aspect that people seem to ignore; total combined rider-bike weight. So lets say you're like the ever growing majority of this nation and have a little extra baggage yourself, consider it a healthy incentive to purchase this bike by dropping that 15 - 20 lb. from your own waistline equating to less overall weight the bike has to pull, and perhaps even increased stamina for those more intense rides.
Failing to see the relevance. Bike and rider weight are as different as sprung and unsprung weight, or rotating mass, etc. Unless you're just talking about being able to haul someone's fat lazy ass around town? Which seems like about all this bike will probably be good for...
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Old 04-16-2012, 09:25 AM   #261
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The weight of this bike is ridiculous. Per the Honda motorcycle of Japan website, the CRF250L weighs 315 lbs (143 kg) whereas the the CRF250X weighs only 233 lbs (106 kg). How in the world does the smaller CRF250L with turn signals, mirrors and a tag bracket weigh 82 pounds more than the CRF250X???

Fully fueled, the CRF250L will weigh at least 327 lbs. Thats 60 lbs more than the bike it replaces (CRF230L). Through rough terrain, I think I would be faster on the 230!
Curb weight is fully fueled weight. The CRF230L is 267lbs fully fueled, but it's not exactly the same power category as the new bike. The CRF250L is 315lb supposedly. It just goes to show you how heavy the new 250 engine is.

Race bikes are light, but then they're race bikes. They have teeny oil capacity and teeny radiators and miss a lot of stuff a good street bike needs.

The most comparable bike for comparison is the WR250R or X. Those weigh in at about 305lbs fully fueled. I can spot the CRF250L 10lbs if it's cheap. That leaves some money for mods. The CRF250L has a solid street-bike engine. It's mildly tuned, has roller cam followers, closed-circuit fuel injection (compared with the cheaper open-circuit on the WR250R), and it runs on regular gas.
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Old 04-17-2012, 01:03 PM   #262
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I'm amazed by the fuel efficiency, advertised at 117 mpg.
The wr250r is well known for its wide ratio 6-speed gearbox, by a small margin, the CR250L gearbox is even wider:

SpeedYamahaHonda
60,786100,0%0,962100,0%
50,88888,5%1,11586,3%
41,0475,6%1,30473,8%
31,31859,6%1,57161,2%
21,81343,4%2,11745,4%
12,64229,8%3,33328,9%
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Old 04-17-2012, 05:27 PM   #263
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Well, I just had look at the specs on another forum:



I wasn't that put off by the weight, but a non-adjustable suspension (well, preload only on the ass end, tbh) is a bit of a deal breaker for me, despite whatever mileage it may get.

I happen to live 40 miles away from the factory where they make this thing:


http://www.ajpmotos.com/en/products/ajp_pr5_enduro.html

XR250 licensed copy motor, EFI, decent suspension, lightweight and cheaper than a KLX. Comes standard with lights, blinkers and footrests for passenger too. Only thing is I'd have to bungee all cargo on me if I buy it :)
How much are these selling for? Am I correct in assuming the title is 50 state legal?
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Old 04-17-2012, 07:32 PM   #264
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That's what Honda should be making! Dunno if those are available in the US. Sent them an email a long time ago inquiring, but never got any reply. That link reminded me, so I asked again.
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Old 04-17-2012, 09:24 PM   #265
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Without errors in calculations:
I'm amazed by the fuel efficiency, advertised at 117 mpg.
The wr250r is well known for its wide ratio 6-speed gearbox, by a small margin, the CR250L gearbox is even wider:

SpeedYamahaHonda
60,786100,0%0,962100,0%
50,88888,5%1,11586,3%
41,0475,6%1,30473,8%
31,31859,6%1,57161,2%
21,81343,4%2,11745,4%
12,64229,8%3,33328,9%
The spec says 44.3km/l (at 60km/h on a level road). By my math, that's 104mi/USgal @36mph. Thanks for working out the gear ratio comparison.
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Old 04-17-2012, 11:07 PM   #266
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I don't know how the dealer network in the US is, assuming there's any. They're expanding into several countries right now. You can find these throughout Europe (mostly Germany and France), Brazil and some middle eastern and african countries.

Our local price is around 5000, which undercuts the KLX 250 by about 12%. YMMV on other countries.

They are light, nimble bikes, and pretty good for a quarter liter bike.
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Old 04-17-2012, 11:55 PM   #267
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Yeah, it's basically a nicer version of the bike I'm building, and would seriously consider buying one if they're available here.
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Old 04-18-2012, 02:26 AM   #268
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Well, I just had look at the specs on another forum:



I wasn't that put off by the weight, but a non-adjustable suspension (well, preload only on the ass end, tbh) is a bit of a deal breaker for me, despite whatever mileage it may get.

I happen to live 40 miles away from the factory where they make this thing:


http://www.ajpmotos.com/en/products/ajp_pr5_enduro.html

XR250 licensed copy motor, EFI, decent suspension, lightweight and cheaper than a KLX. Comes standard with lights, blinkers and footrests for passenger too. Only thing is I'd have to bungee all cargo on me if I buy it :)
Very nice. But sadly, it's probably another bike they won't bring to the US.
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Old 04-18-2012, 08:05 PM   #269
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If the crf250l has the same quality and bulletproof characteristics as the crf230 models well i'd say its worth every extra pound considering the features it offers over that of a 230L. After speaking with someone from the honda powersports department it looks like it could be quite some time(if at all) before this model ever makes it's way into the states.

Judging by the increasing demand for the smaller displacement motorcycles' and dual sports in general added to the rising cost of fuel, Honda would be foolish to keep this bike exclusively out of the US. Perhaps it is only a matter of time.
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Old 04-18-2012, 08:27 PM   #270
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If the crf250l has the same quality and bulletproof characteristics as the crf230 models well i'd say its worth every extra pound considering the features it offers over that of a 230L. After speaking with someone from the honda powersports department it looks like it could be quite some time(if at all) before this model ever makes it's way into the states.

Judging by the increasing demand for the smaller displacement motorcycles' and dual sports in general added to the rising cost of fuel, Honda would be foolish to keep this bike exclusively out of the US. Perhaps it is only a matter of time.
Did the Honda Rep tell you about the new Scooters they are bringing in?
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2012/...ters-for-2013/

This is where Honda will be focusing in the near term ... Honda believe these will be big sellers. Once gas tops $5 a gallon, even more so .
One is a 125, the other a 50.

In my own opinion I believe Honda will have a hard time competing with the many random Chinese imports we currently have. Also, Kymco are kicking their butt right down the line regards Scooters. Even making it in Thailand, Brazil ... or wherever it's made ... Honda will not be able to compete on price. The Chinese Scooters are pretty junky (but not all) but Kymco products are very good. (Taiwan)

San Francisco is the number ONE scooter City in the USA. No other city even comes close. This is where Scooter trends start and finish. Have done for 50 years. Honda's conservatism has cooked their Goose.
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