KLR650 Only Thread......

[rdnman]

Originally Posted by coop74

Mine broke while riding down the Cherahalla Skyway.

it was a worse case scenario, it broke cam chain which broke lots of additional things in the motor, a bit went throught the motor and some how locked up my transmission and it also some how kept me from being able to disengage the clutch. It caused a 45 mph skid in a curve and eventually I bounced and slid 104 down the road till I exited the pavement.

If you would like to see some internal pictures send me a PM and I will dig them back up...

Thanks ordering the parts now.

[Tsotsie]

Originally Posted by FDKLR

A question for you wheel and tire experts.

I recently put on a new tire and I think that my rim is currently out of balance but I am not sure.

Since I put the new tire on form slow speeds upto about 45mph the front end feels like a pogo stick bouncing up and donw. It is not violant but noticeable.

I check the fork pressure and they match from left to right and are set at about 22psi.

Any thoughts as to why this may be occuring?

Thank you,
Brian

You think correctly.

Sometimes if the tire is rotated on the rim to where the rim and tire imbalance cancel each other out you might not need weight balancing. That is work and patience.

Read somewhere years ago that 1oz out at 90mph is equivalent to a 5lb weight rotating.

[CA Stu]

Originally Posted by WRC51

You might even try to break the bead again and spin the tire maybe 180 degrees on the rim. Some tires have a colored dot on the side wall that is either to be mounted near the valve stem or opposite or it , sorry cant remember for sure.

Mounted near the stem.

The spot indicates the light spot on the tire.

[Aprilia]

Originally Posted by CA Stu

Mounted near the stem.

Or rim lock...

[WRC51]

Thanks Stu and Aprillia, couldnt remember for sure.

[SUPERPOWERPHIL]

AT LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAST!!! YAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRGGHH...




Let the shenanigans begin... Got my new Supermoto wheels today, holy hell man I haven't been this happy in a while!

Phil

[Kurt Franz]

Originally Posted by jp68

By the way what is the DOO? Is that the same thing and the DOOHickey? I think I will try and seach the site. I asked the Parts Guy at the Kawasaki dealer and he said that it was much a do about nothing????

He is entirely correct. This BS still floats around and gets regurgitated by the sheep. If you have a 2008+ you are fine and do not have to worry about it. The myth persists and is spread around so that vendors can keep selling a part that is no longer needed.

Another good one is the Thermobob... research that if you want a few good laughs.

It is highly recommended that you use your money to purchase a good quality helmet, good riding gear, or some other accessory that will add to your safety or riding comfort.

CASE CLOSED

[Chicken Helmet]

Originally Posted by SUPERPOWERPHIL

AT LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAST!!! YAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRGGHH...




Let the shenanigans begin... Got my new Supermoto wheels today, holy hell man I haven't been this happy in a while!

Phil

I love these bikes set uop this way. Looks awesome!

[IDRIDR]

Originally Posted by SUPERPOWERPHIL

AT LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAST!!! YAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRGGHH...




Let the shenanigans begin... Got my new Supermoto wheels today, holy hell man I haven't been this happy in a while!

Phil

That's SWEET. You're going to enjoy some twisties!

[Tsotsie]

Originally Posted by Kurt Franz

He is entirely correct. This BS still floats around and gets regurgitated by the sheep. If you have a 2008+ you are fine and do not have to worry about it. The myth persists and is spread around so that vendors can keep selling a part that is no longer needed.

Another good one is the Thermobob... research that if you want a few good laughs.

It is highly recommended that you use your money to purchase a good quality helmet, good riding gear, or some other accessory that will add to your safety or riding comfort.

CASE CLOSED

Yup! And some good laughs with the 'closed cases' who also still believe that they are entirely correct, the world is flat, the world was created 6000 years ago too and the motor car as just a fad that would not catch on!

As one with an 08 from new, the spring is far too long and good originally for one or two adjustments only. Having also changed a good few with either broken doo's and broken springs, sure they were a figment of my imagination! Then, a personal friend whose 08 imploded when the un-adjusted balancer chain let go before 10K - just another figment! Then there is the empirical evidence that Kawa changed both the design of the doo as well as the spring forming process, just for grins.

As for the merits of the Thermobob - take the time to read the hundreds of articles in the ASE files regarding thermodynamics from about the 1940's. Sure the KLR will run fine just as it comes from the factory. Interested in improving it - control the temps more effectively?

Now, as for taking the sage advice of many of the high school dropouts behind the counters and wrenches in dealerships, I know the choices I do make!

Sure, spend money on riding comfort and peace of mind (a little insurance) too

[M-Cat]

I was installing the FMF header on my 2000 and noticed it was very loose inside the port flange on the head. Like 1/4" play all the way around. Waaay more than the stock head pipe. I have yet to run it, as I'm doing a couple of other things to freshen it up.
Has anyone else using this header noticed that?

[CA Stu]

Originally Posted by M-Cat

I was installing the FMF header on my 2000 and noticed it was very loose inside the port flange on the head. Like 1/4" play all the way around. Waaay more than the stock head pipe. I have yet to run it, as I'm doing a couple of other things to freshen it up.
Has anyone else using this header noticed that?

There is a gasket that may be stuck in your old head pipe...

Part 11060: Diagram link

[Thanantos]

Originally Posted by Tsotsie

As for the merits of the Thermobob - take the time to read the hundreds of articles in the ASE files regarding thermodynamics from about the 1940's. Sure the KLR will run fine just as it comes from the factory. Interested in improving it - control the temps more effectively?

Now, as for taking the sage advice of many of the high school dropouts behind the counters and wrenches in dealerships, I know the choices I do make!

Sure, spend money on riding comfort and peace of mind (a little insurance) too

I'm with you on the doo. There are some real horror stories out there.

But this thermobob has always seemed like a scam to me, and a silly religion to many. However, I have an open mind and am willing to listen.

My 09 KLR warms up nicely and tends to hold a constant temp except for the rare times I go slowly off road where the temp gauge will creep up, but it never hits the red mark (it rarely goes above the middle).

So why would I need this? (I don't care or have time to page through 70 years of ASE articles, but am willing to listen to a well reasoned argument.)

[mark836]

Originally Posted by Kurt Franz

He is entirely correct. This BS still floats around and gets regurgitated by the sheep. If you have a 2008+ you are fine and do not have to worry about it. The myth persists and is spread around so that vendors can keep selling a part that is no longer needed.

Another good one is the Thermobob... research that if you want a few good laughs.

It is highly recommended that you use your money to purchase a good quality helmet, good riding gear, or some other accessory that will add to your safety or riding comfort.

CASE CLOSED

I have seen balance levers on 2008's with very few miles that were extremely loose on the shaft. For $40 I will take peace of mind any time and do the upgrade.

[Tsotsie]

Originally Posted by Thanantos

But this thermobob has always seemed like a scam to me, and a silly religion to many. However, I have an open mind and am willing to listen.

My 09 KLR warms up nicely and tends to hold a constant temp except for the rare times I go slowly off road where the temp gauge will creep up, but it never hits the red mark (it rarely goes above the middle).

So why would I need this? (I don't care or have time to page through 70 years of ASE articles, but am willing to listen to a well reasoned argument.)

Do you need to do homework before blowing off a product that might have engineering merit, as silly religion? Only you can answer that.

In summary;
1. Internal combusion engines work most efficiently at about 220 degrees. That is not practical so 195 degrees has been universially accepted.
2. At lower temps the cumbustion by-products which are acidic are not burned/evaporated off.
3. Lubrication is not efficient.
4. Thermal effects on the parts are better contolled at a more constant temp. The stock temp gauge is a primitive device and not able to register the wild temp fluctuations.

The KLR system is primitive and cheap. It uses a 160 degree tstat. In lower ambient temps that means 120 degrees coolant is entering the cylinder from the radiator . There is a constant wide range swing in temps.

The Tbob, as with modern cooling systems since the 1940's, has a bypass hose before the tstat that bleeds and circulates the cold coolant within the motor until the elevated and more desirable temp is reached and maintained.

The originator of the Tbob is an degreed automotive research engineer who took the time to fully test the parts and system.

By all means, healthy scepticism is needed with the many fads and farkles being sold, but those with sound engieering behind them need a second look beyond the bling!