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Old 07-22-2012, 12:19 PM   #1051
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Surprised Vettels pass of Booton off circuit was allowed.
After a chat with the stewards it was disallowed and he was awarded a 20 second penalty added to his time (20 seconds is deemed to be equivalent when there is no longer an opportunity to serve a drive-through).
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Old 07-22-2012, 01:51 PM   #1052
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I could go either way on the Seb pass of Button for 2nd, but Seb whining about the Hamilton unlapping pass - shouldn't a racer take advantage of an opportunity to unlap himself if he has a faster car? - makes his demotion from 2nd to 5th seem very appropriate.

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Old 07-22-2012, 05:31 PM   #1053
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The Iceman is getting stronger. A race win isn't far away.
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Old 07-22-2012, 10:27 PM   #1054
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That was as exciting a wire-to-wire win as I can remember. Alonso didn't look like he had it in the bag until very late.

Good stuff!

So.... Red Bull's Great Leap Forward was a cheat? They messed with their engine mapping such that a higher throttle setting in turns produced less torque... but did produce more lovely hot exhaust gasses for the rear diffusers. (The Beeb explains it most clearly.)

Sneaky buggers. And speculation is that Red Bull switched their maps before the race to a more compliant configuration, which explains why Vettel wasn't able to close on the Ferrari late.

Vettel's penalty was deserved. But I was surprised that the stewards actually applied it. I've lost faith in them.

Great finish by the Chelsea-sponsored Saubers. Held off a hard-charging Schumi.

Good race, gripping from beginning to end.
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Old 07-23-2012, 07:20 AM   #1055
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probably won't last long before the goon squad pull sit down..
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Old 07-23-2012, 09:17 AM   #1056
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this isn't going to end well....
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FIA Technical Delegate judges declared the race weekend in Germany, suspected violations of technical regulations for Formula 1 team Red Bull Racing.
Statement issued by the FIA ​​technical delegate Jo Bauer, suggests that the issue is related to the engine torque maps in the car Sebatiana both Vettel and Mark Webber.
FIA underlined that reducing torque in the medium engine speed range in both cars is in itself a violation of the provisions, but also because such a state may offer illegal aerodynamic advantage.
"After analyzing the underlying maps of the motor torque in cars 01 and 02 found that the maximum torque of both engines is much smaller in the medium speed range, than it was in previous races," - said in a statement Jo Bauer.
"In my opinion this is the same violation of Art. 5.5.3 Formula 1 technical regulations, because the engines are able to deliver more torque at an engine speed in the middle of the rotation. "
"In addition, new maps torque will artificially change the aerodynamic characteristics of both cars, which is also contrary to the Directive TD 036-11. I give the case to the judges of racing. "
Head of Red Bull's Christian Horner said: "I do not know anything about breaking the rules. The results were confirmed after qualifying. "
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Old 07-23-2012, 02:02 PM   #1057
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this isn't going to end well....
RBR and Ferrari seem to be the darlings of F1 at the moment. That leads me to believe that if anything happens it will be a "wrist slap" and a "don't do that again"...but you never know.
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Old 07-23-2012, 02:51 PM   #1058
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Judging by the reports, Red Bull created a map that was within the letter, but not the spirit, of the rules.

That's a familiar story in F1 these days!

It also sounds like a rules "clarification" will be issued which makes the Red Bull practice against the letter, as well as the spirit, of the rules.

If Ferrari wins the driver's title this season, it will be like Chelsea winning the Champions League. Not the fastest car/best team... but the heavens ordained it. At the halfway mark, events have conspired to help Ferrari time after time, Saturday's wet qualifying being just the latest example.

There's a long way to go and I'm sure that there are many more twists left in this tale. It has been improbable and thrilling so far. I hope the thrills continue.
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Old 07-23-2012, 02:54 PM   #1059
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probably won't last long before the goon squad pull sit down..
Hulkenberg and Hamilton should take notes on how professional drivers do it.

Great driving by Kimi and di Resta.

Have oddsmakers put a price on Lotus winning a race this season?
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Old 07-23-2012, 03:45 PM   #1060
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Has Alonso put a wheel wrong all year? I think it's his to take.
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Old 07-23-2012, 04:03 PM   #1061
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Has Alonso put a wheel wrong all year? I think it's his to take.
Well, in my book running himself out of tires and relinquishing the top spot on the podium to Weber was one. Maybe is was unavoidable.
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Old 07-23-2012, 04:25 PM   #1062
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Well, in my book running himself out of tires and relinquishing the top spot on the podium to Weber was one. Maybe is was unavoidable.
Myself, I think that was a tactical error at Silverstone. I think they should have kept Alonso out longer on his first stint, on the soft tire. They brought him in at around lap 13, IIRC. Others stayed out longer. Indeed, the very next race Alonso himself stayed out much longer on softs in his first stint. (And I don't think that was a coincidence. I think it was a typical Ferrari reactive approach to race tactics.)

Had Alonso had a longer first stint at Silverstone, then his last stint on the hard tire would have been shorter, he wouldn't have been racing on ice at the end and Webber wouldn't have gobbled him up. I think.

Clem, I agree with you. Alonso has been perfect. Needed to be. (That silly cheating on the radio, using Italian instead of English, annoys me and cheapens him.)
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Old 07-23-2012, 04:32 PM   #1063
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(That silly cheating on the radio, using Italian instead of English, annoys me and cheapens him.)
I figure Kimi just needs a Finnish engineer.....
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Hulkenberg and Hamilton should take notes on how professional drivers do it.

Great driving by Kimi and di Resta.
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Old 07-23-2012, 05:13 PM   #1065
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Has Alonso put a wheel wrong all year? I think it's his to take.
There are still a lot of points to be earned before the end of the 2012 championship. Indeed Alonso could not be in a better position in spite of having an inferior car, making his achievements more remarkable. It is worth indicating that the car has been improving its performance, as the other teams as well.

I hope they keep on improving and keeping up their form.


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