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Old 03-06-2012, 04:51 PM   #196
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Take the guesswork out by installing a voltmeter. Mine never dips below 12.6 at idle and rises to between 12.8-13.0 when I'm running my heated jacket, gloves and grips (jacket and gloves usually about halfway cranked up).
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Old 03-07-2012, 05:39 AM   #197
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KLR 650 v Sertao

Here's how they stack up.

KLR 650G 650 GS SertaoWinner
Engine
Four Stroke, DOHC, Four Valve




Four Stroke, DOHC, Four Valve



TIE
Displacement
651






652

BMW
Max Torque36.944BMW
Compression Ratio9.8:111.5:1BMW
Cooling SysLiquidLiquidTIE
Carburation/Fuel InjectionCarboratorFuel InjectedBMW
TransmissionFive SpeedFive SpeedTIE
Final DriveO-Ring ChainO-Ring ChainTIE
Frame TypeSteelSteelTie
Front Suspension7.9in8.3BMW
Rear Suspension7.3in8.3BMW
FrontTire Size9090Tie
Rear Tire Size130130Tie
Overall Length90.4in86inBMW
Overall Width37.8in36.2BMW
Overall Height53.1in56.7BMW
Ground Clearance8.38.3Tie
Seat Height35in35.4BMW
Curb Weight432426BMW
Fuel Capacity6.13.7KAW
Warranty12mon36monBMW
MPG55mpg75mpgBMW
Top Speed100105BMW
ABS BrakesNoYesBMW
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Old 03-07-2012, 08:03 AM   #198
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Take the guesswork out by installing a voltmeter. Mine never dips below 12.6 at idle and rises to between 12.8-13.0 when I'm running my heated jacket, gloves and grips (jacket and gloves usually about halfway cranked up).
I have the Koso meter on order from Amazon.
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Old 03-07-2012, 10:00 AM   #199
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Here's how they stack up.

KLR 650G 650 GS SertaoWinner
Engine
Four Stroke, DOHC, Four Valve




Four Stroke, DOHC, Four Valve



TIE
Displacement
651






652

BMW
Max Torque36.944BMW
Compression Ratio9.8:111.5:1BMW
Cooling SysLiquidLiquidTIE
Carburation/Fuel InjectionCarboratorFuel InjectedBMW
TransmissionFive SpeedFive SpeedTIE
Final DriveO-Ring ChainO-Ring ChainTIE
Frame TypeSteelSteelTie
Front Suspension7.9in8.3BMW
Rear Suspension7.3in8.3BMW
FrontTire Size9090Tie
Rear Tire Size130130Tie
Overall Length90.4in86inBMW
Overall Width37.8in36.2BMW
Overall Height53.1in56.7BMW
Ground Clearance8.38.3Tie
Seat Height35in35.4BMW
Curb Weight432426BMW
Fuel Capacity6.13.7KAW
Warranty12mon36monBMW
MPG55mpg75mpgBMW
Top Speed100105BMW
ABS BrakesNoYesBMW

What's the weight difference? What's the price difference? A good year old KLR, new ZERO miles can be had for $4000-$5000......a year old BMW will be at MOST $1000 off......You can almost buy TWO KLR's!!! In the end.....after factoring those two things = TIE??!! Sorry to be devil's advocate.......I was going to wait and buy a 650 when the Sertao was announced but bought a Husky 630 instead.....only 100lbs less weight, warrantied and finance by BMW, has more power, 6 speed, FI, metal panniers buy Touratech, and a ton better suspension and ground clearance!! I'm such as ass!!

My apologies, depending on the focus, both a KLR and a Sertao will be a great bike! In the end, depends on preference........both bikes with good long standing history of being great adventure bikes!
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Old 03-08-2012, 12:34 PM   #200
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I just got my sertao and love it. It's mellow and totally BMW. Quiet and smooth. I had my dealer spoon on the Conti tkc 80's and was real happy today on a totally rutted frost/mud dirt road up here in Vermont. It's a cool bike and should be just what I need. It's happy spot is 55mph which is sufficient here on our back roads. It vibes a bit in the saddle up around 60 and above but I think it might actually improve when it's broken in. I just need to move my shifter up a notch so I can get my size 13 under it with my moto boots on and I'll be all set.
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Old 03-08-2012, 02:03 PM   #201
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Looking at the forum it looks like some are trying to compare the KLR 650 to the BMW 650, well since I have both I can tell you that both bikes will fit your needs very well. Where the KLR is ugly and can do just about anything well, but not anything great, the BMW is about the same, but the biggest reason I prefer the BMW is it's just one sexy look'en bike, what else can I say.

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Old 03-08-2012, 04:49 PM   #202
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Overall Length 90.4in 86in BMW
Overall Width 37.8in 36.2 BMW
Overall Height 53.1in 56.7 BMW
Shorter, narrower, taller makes it a win, win, win, for BMW? How's that?
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Old 03-08-2012, 07:25 PM   #203
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I joined the owners club tonight :



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Old 03-08-2012, 07:28 PM   #204
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Nice! When do you pick it up?
Will be riding time here soon! My F is waiting patiently.
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Old 03-08-2012, 07:33 PM   #205
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Congrats....

Durden... I pick mine up Saturday early afternoon, and I'm getting lost on the way back home . My ride suppose to be 1.5hr drive, think it's going to be 3hrs...

I know you went to kick tires, so how did you make the final decision? Good choice..


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Old 03-08-2012, 07:36 PM   #206
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Cycle World seems to prefer it over the KLR http://www.cycleworld.com/2011/12/15...ao-first-ride/
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Old 03-09-2012, 06:00 AM   #207
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I ordered a center stand, so as soon as that is in and mounted i'll pick it up, should be 7-10 days. The roads here are still a bit slushy so I'm fine with the wait. I also ordered a set of Heidenau K60s that I will mount at my first service interval, the stock tires are much to street oriented for even gravel roads.

I made my decision based on used low km Dakars going for $8K, absolutely no used F8s on the market, and the proven track record of the BMW single platform.

I looked at some of the other non-BMW options while there including the XL650 (nice ride, but too dirt oriented), DR400 (again, nice bike, but I do want to do longer trips and my KLX was a back breaker on long rides), KLR (I've already owned one and the oil consumption on the new ones scares me). I really like the KTMs, I think they are probably the nicest to ride, but I dont have a lot of time to wrench, so I really wanted something low maintenance.
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Old 03-09-2012, 06:37 AM   #208
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Cycle World seems to prefer it over the KLR http://www.cycleworld.com/2011/12/15...ao-first-ride/
Informative review but odd that they say it has cartridge forks.
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Old 03-09-2012, 09:09 AM   #209
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Informative review but odd that they say it has cartridge forks.
that is incorrect.
ricor has emulators to help the valving plus a rear shock upgrade
http://store.ricorshocks.com/bmw_s/47.htm
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Old 03-09-2012, 12:17 PM   #210
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that is incorrect.
ricor has emulators to help the valving plus a rear shock upgrade
http://store.ricorshocks.com/bmw_s/47.htm
Aren't emulators used on damping rod forks, not cartridge forks? I'm confused now.
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