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Old 12-26-2011, 04:40 PM   #31
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Scooters are the only street 2 wheelers that fill the 300-700cc void. They vary by manufacturer but you can currently buy a 300, 350,400,500,600 and 650 if you want one. I realize the guy the who stands out in the pouring rain without an umbrella is never going to be seen on riding a scooter, but for someone who values function over form, take a look at the current offerings if you really want something in the 300-600cc range.
I actually have a 250cc scooter, and will likely pick up a 300 or 350 in a few years -- when I can get a deal on one used. Can't justify the cost of a new one for an occasional use bike, as the V7 is my main bike.

You can't really say that scooters fill the void, because without shifting the experience isn't the same. Not that there is anything wrong with being shiftless, some prefer it. I, personally don't, but still like to ride my scooter for what I use it for.
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Old 12-26-2011, 07:30 PM   #32
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As mentioned, Honda has a middleweight standard in the VT750 RS (shadow).
It's languishing on floors with its 50ish hp and pleasantly long wheelbase, cool paint options (tricolor is pretty nice), and dead reliable engine that you can get in either chain or shaft drive.

The Shadow Spirit has sold in somewhat low numbers for years, and is a Sportster copy with Honda reliability.

Suzuki makes the M50, another fancied up 50 cid (800ish) bike with good ergos, upside-downer forks, and nice sized tires. Pretty nice standard riding position.

Honda chopped the 600 VLX shadow from its line because they just didn't sell.

People don't buy them. A lot of people gripe, but not many put their money down. Here in the states, we ride differently than other cultures. We don't have as many riders doing everything on their bike and needing a steady riding position. We're almost all posers pretending to be Rossi or some late 60's Hell's Angel or some Adventure/Rally rider.
Commuters like me who actually use bikes see the precious few that come and go as golden gifts and accept that we'll have to build our own luggage mount and other accessories because the numbers just won't be there to fuel an aftermarket. It's the way it is.
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Old 12-26-2011, 07:58 PM   #33
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As mentioned, Honda has a middleweight standard in the VT750 RS (shadow).
It's languishing on floors with its 50ish hp and pleasantly long wheelbase, cool paint options (tricolor is pretty nice), and dead reliable engine that you can get in either chain or shaft drive.

The Shadow Spirit has sold in somewhat low numbers for years, and is a Sportster copy with Honda reliability.
Shadow is a cruiser, or at least looks like one, and looks to have cruiser ergos.
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Suzuki makes the M50, another fancied up 50 cid (800ish) bike with good ergos, upside-downer forks, and nice sized tires. Pretty nice standard riding position.
Standard riding position? Really? I just looked a picture of an M50. Those are forward pegs and controls if I ever saw one. Sorry, but no thanks. Try lifting your but out of that seat to go over a speed bump, railroad tracks or other obstacle with your feet that far forward.

Both the above are Harley cruiser wannabees. Great for those who want that, but not for those who don't, which I guess are a small number, at least in the opinions of the Big 4.
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Old 12-26-2011, 08:19 PM   #34
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Shadow is a cruiser, or at least looks like one, and looks to have cruiser ergos.
Not really. It has mid controls and bars with reasonable pullback, I'd call it a 'kitchen chair' seating position, not unlike the triumph bonneville.

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Old 12-26-2011, 08:21 PM   #35
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Old 12-26-2011, 08:33 PM   #36
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Just search "Team Obsolete" on Google. This will answer all questions regarding how a half-liter bike can keep up. It's not what you ride, it's how you ride. Nuff Said.
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Old 12-26-2011, 08:58 PM   #37
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Without graduated motorcycle licensing to give new riders the taste and joy of riding a lighter and smaller bike, new riders who want a crotch rocket jump on liter+ bikes, or those looking for cruisers want the biggest and the "baddest"... form over function... European riders have a much bigger choice of bikes because it's more about riding than posing.
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Old 12-26-2011, 09:08 PM   #38
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As mentioned, Honda has a middleweight not a standard in the VT750 RS (shadow).
The Shadow Spirit not a standard has sold in somewhat low numbers for years, and is a Sportster not a standard (except the XR) copy with Honda reliability.

Suzuki makes the M50, not a standard another fancied up 50 cid (800ish) bike with good ergos compared to what?, upside-downer forks, and nice sized tires. Pretty nice standard riding position.

Honda chopped the 600 VLX shadow not a standard from its line because they just didn't sell.
Cruisers are NOT standards.
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Old 12-27-2011, 12:22 AM   #39
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If you can't find what you want, you are beyond help.
Well once you add ABS and long range to the requirements it gets a lot tougher. I ended up with a Versys this time, but would definitely have paid extra for the euro model Versys ABS. When you're looking for mid-sized practical bikes, the euros get a better selection than we do. As I understand it, the bike market is bigger there, and a greater percent of our bike market then theirs is for recreation, rather than transportation.
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Old 12-27-2011, 03:12 AM   #40
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cruisers are not standards.
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Old 12-27-2011, 03:35 AM   #41
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While I agree and am currently saving for one of these, ya gotta admit those dudes are TALL.

I'm 5'10" and am STILL having second thoughts because of the height of these bikes. A helluva lot of the World is under 5' 10".

I don't know why bikes are either 2' tall, or 3' tall.......

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Old 12-27-2011, 03:49 AM   #42
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While I agree and am currently saving for one of these, ya gotta admit those dudes are TALL.

I'm 5'10" and am STILL having second thoughts because of the height of these bikes. A helluva lot of the World is under 5' 10".

I don't know why bikes are either 2' tall, or 3' tall.......

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The seat on my V7 is about 30.5". I'm 5'9". It fits me perfectly.
The 70's CB350 also had a seat height of around 30", as did many other standards of that era.
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Old 12-27-2011, 05:21 AM   #43
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Cruisers are NOT standards.
Just because it has a v-twin doesn't make it a cruiser.

The Shadow RS has less rake and trail than the other models in the Shadow line, has mids, and has an upright riding position. It's a standard. So is the Bonnie.
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Shadow is a cruiser, or at least looks like one, and looks to have cruiser ergos.


Standard riding position? Really? I just looked a picture of an M50. Those are forward pegs and controls if I ever saw one. Sorry, but no thanks. Try lifting your but out of that seat to go over a speed bump, railroad tracks or other obstacle with your feet that far forward.

Both the above are Harley cruiser wannabees. Great for those who want that, but not for those who don't, which I guess are a small number, at least in the opinions of the Big 4.
Oh, you looked at a picture. Okay.
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Old 12-27-2011, 05:25 AM   #45
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The SV650 is a very standard bike.
The pegs are located so you can stand straight up, reminds me of my old dirt bikes.

I also have a PC800 that is comfortable but at 6-700 pounds, not the same.

I had the Vulcan 500, very good bike, not for my style of riding.
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