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Old 12-27-2011, 03:31 PM   #76
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To say that an 800 is "mid-size" is pushing it, but an 1100 inline 4 is definitely not a mid size.
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Old 12-27-2011, 03:37 PM   #77
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To say that an 800 is "mid-size" is pushing it, but an 1100 inline 4 is definitely not a mid size.
The smallest bikes are 250s. The biggest ones are over two liters.
A 250 single makes perhaps 20 hp. The ZX-14 puts out almost 200.

We live in an age where the 100hp, 450lb bike is rather pedestrian.
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Old 12-27-2011, 03:40 PM   #78
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Yeah, they'd never sell.....

I would love to see ALL of those for sale here.

The Yamaha might even make a go of it with the Hipster movement.

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We live in an age where the 100hp, 450lb bike is rather pedestrian.
Sad as it is I agree. There are so many 50hp bikes that are great to ride too... I really like the Moto Guzzi V7's but they are not going to win any performance awards other than a citation from a LEO.
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Old 12-27-2011, 04:27 PM   #79
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The smallest bikes are 250s. The biggest ones are over two liters.
A 250 single makes perhaps 20 hp. The ZX-14 puts out almost 200.

We live in an age where the 100hp, 450lb bike is rather pedestrian.

Yes, but isn't this thread about the absence of 300-500 cc standard bikes?
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Old 12-27-2011, 04:31 PM   #80
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Yes, but isn't this thread about the absence of 300-500 cc standard bikes?
I thought it was about people not realizing that 650 twins and detuned 600 fours are the new middleweights, all while wringing their hands and bemoaning the demise of bikes that were never that great to begin with.

But I could be off on that a bit.
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Old 12-27-2011, 04:43 PM   #81
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I thought it was about people not realizing that 650 twins and detuned 600 fours are the new middleweights, all while wringing their hands and bemoaning the demise of bikes that were never that great to begin with.

But I could be off on that a bit.
Could corresponding rise of Puff Daddy, Jersey Shore and fighting over Air Jordons at WAL*MART be a coincidence ?
I think not . . .
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Old 12-27-2011, 04:50 PM   #82
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I would absolutely buy the W800, and likely consider the SR400 if it is under 350 lbs.

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Old 12-27-2011, 05:18 PM   #83
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I would absolutely buy the W800, and likely consider the SR400 if it is under 350 lbs.

Close, no cigar... 174kg (383lbs)

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Power: 25bhp
Torque: 20 lb-ft
Weight: 174kg
Seat height: 790mm
Fuel capacity: 12 litres


These are retro bikes of in the style of old standards. To visualize what modern standard would look like...........

The frame would be very strong , light and larger than current standards to provide the roomy passenger space of the retro standards. The wheels would be cast so you could go tubeless. The suspension again would be light but offer good travel. Final drive would be shaft or belt as seen in the Suzuki 600 single. The motor would need fuel injection and liquid cooling for mpg and longevity. The valves should be screw adjust or hydraulic adjust. Torque is as important as horsepower... The Kawasaki Ninja parallel twin is optimal if it had easy infrequent valve maintenance.
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500cc, cast wheels, great sound, great looks, $800. Life's good!
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Old 12-27-2011, 05:58 PM   #85
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I wonder if conventional wisdom when the new Bonnevilles came out said that while it was a quaint styling exercise, a 62hp 500# unfaired standard would never sell......

I see a 400cc standard as not just a chance to sell bikes to msf grads, wives, and fuel misers, but an opportunity to develop a market for high profit margin accessories for everyone from the milk crate crowd to wannabe cafe racers and desert sled types. To paraphrase a poster in the Triumph Scrambler thread, a veritable Mr. Potato Head of a bike. A relatively affordable first, second, or third motorcycle in the garage. A motorcycle that changes personalities with a click of a mouse (and a credit card number). A bike where you're not just able to customize it, but where it's actually expected.

What the hell are they paying those marketing guys for, anyway?

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Old 12-27-2011, 06:19 PM   #86
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I thought it was about people not realizing that 650 twins and detuned 600 fours are the new middleweights, all while wringing their hands and bemoaning the demise of bikes that were never that great to begin with.

But I could be off on that a bit.

Except all the new middleweights have an ass-up stance, sportier riding position, water cooling, and are shrouded in plastics.

None of which I like.
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Old 12-27-2011, 06:29 PM   #87
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How can you argue with this? The ads on the homepage for Yamaha motorcycles.





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Old 12-27-2011, 06:32 PM   #88
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Except all the new middleweights have an ass-up stance, sportier riding position, water cooling, and are shrouded in plastics.

None of which I like.
Then buy a Moto Guzzi, Royal Enfield, Ural ST or Triumph Bonneville. They aren't unicorns, you know - they really do exist.





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Old 12-27-2011, 06:36 PM   #89
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Last year I bought one of these.

Long time riders seem to get it... noobs... not so much.

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Old 12-27-2011, 06:38 PM   #90
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Then buy a Moto Guzzi, Royal Enfield, Ural ST or Triumph Bonneville. They aren't unicorns, you know - they really do exist.





Yes, but that is still not a huge selection of bikes, compared to the endless array of plastic shrouded sporty bikes.

Harley Sportster would be ideal if they still made the models with normal suspension, wheel sizes, and brakes (Roadsters), but they don't.
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