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Old 12-27-2011, 05:45 PM   #91
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Yes, but that is still not a huge selection of bikes, compared to the endless array of plastic shrouded sporty bikes.
Chicken / egg - segment has to have sales before they'll make more.
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Old 12-27-2011, 05:49 PM   #92
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Harley Sportster would be ideal if they still made the models with normal suspension, wheel sizes, and brakes (Roadsters), but they don't.
Actually they do. They just don't sell them here.

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Old 12-27-2011, 06:57 PM   #93
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650 and 230 Hondas modified by an Italian outfit.

If this style bike was available O.E.M. [ with a disc ] , I have to believe they would sell. bring in new riders and get some fun happening.

Light ,simple and fun. Cool too!
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Old 12-27-2011, 07:24 PM   #94
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650 and 230 Hondas modified by an Italian outfit.

If this style bike was available O.E.M. [ with a disc ] , I have to believe they would sell. bring in new riders and get some fun happening.

Light ,simple and fun. Cool too!
You would think that wouldn't you? But the great little TU250 does not sell very well and the Kawasaki W650 Did not sell well at all.

I am willing to believe that this recession might just help these things sell now (they dropped the W650 in '06' I believe) better than they did if they keep the price point low.

The word is slowly getting out about the TU250. I think there are more people looking to buy them than they produced.
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Old 12-27-2011, 08:27 PM   #95
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500cc, cast wheels, great sound, great looks, $800. Life's good!
That is bloody gorgeous!
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Old 12-27-2011, 09:40 PM   #96
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It's a dam shame that the 350-500, and even 650cc standards have dried up. When I started riding 50 years ago there were lots of new 350 and 500cc bikes, and I've owned a bunch myself. Many were dual sports, but many were street bikes. The latest was a 2007 Royal Enfield 500 Bullet. I'm sad to see the fine Ninja 500 gone, and maybe the GS500F also. I've owned a 500 Ninja and a 1980 GS450ST, the precurser to the GS500, and both were fine rides. Had a 1960 something BSA 500 twin when I was in high school.

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Old 12-27-2011, 11:28 PM   #97
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Last year I bought one of these.

(Photo of Ninja 250)

Long time riders seem to get it... noobs... not so much.


Ah, the old '250cc road bike as proof of a higher level of enlightenment' routine.

Gettin' to be a bit of a cliche, isn't it?

If I had a nickel for every time I've heard that line used to rationalize a 250cc road bike I'd have a shitload of nickels......
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Old 12-28-2011, 03:26 AM   #98
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When I started riding 50 years ago there were lots of new 350 and 500cc bikes,
When I started, it was about 40 years ago, the "Normal" bikes were the 350/450 Hondas, heck, I think it was about then, that Yamaha came out with the "Enduro" line. My Dad had a little 175 Yamaha 2 stroke single that was street legal, and he rode it to work all the time.

Is it my imagination, or were there more riders per capita back in the early '70's?
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Old 12-28-2011, 04:30 AM   #99
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While I agree and am currently saving for one of these, ya gotta admit those dudes are TALL.

I'm 5'10" and am STILL having second thoughts because of the height of these bikes. A helluva lot of the World is under 5' 10".

I don't know why bikes are either 2' tall, or 3' tall.......

I have a 29" inseam and the Versys isn't much trouble, though I'm used to riding bikes that are 'too big' for me. In fact I can't think of a time when I needed to 'flat foot' a bike, it's normal to cover the back brake with the right foot and prop up the bike with the left.

Suprised no-one has mentioned the Dorsoduro 750 yet, it's apparently Aprilia's best selling bike.
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Old 12-28-2011, 05:05 AM   #100
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Ah, the old '250cc road bike as proof of a higher level of enlightenment' routine.

Gettin' to be a bit of a cliche, isn't it?

If I had a nickel for every time I've heard that line used to rationalize a 250cc road bike I'd have a shitload of nickels......

Hey Surly!

What did you do with all that money your mama gave you for those new eye glasses? Hanging out at the
candy store again? The bike I pictured and bought is not a Ninja 250 as you state but rather a new Ninja 400
Identical body to the 650 R . ... sleeved down motor.

No where near as much of an " enlightened ride " as my 250 but it hauls ass way before 13, 000 K. On th tach.
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Old 12-28-2011, 05:06 AM   #101
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Although I'm firmly in the "wish there were more midweights" camp, before we wax too poetically:

Yamaha SR500 27 HP, 383 lbs
KLR650 37HP, 400 lbs

Ninja 500 59 HP, 440 lbs (latest models, about 400 lbs for the earlier ones.)
Versys 650 59 HP, 400 lbs



While I think 650s (to even 800) are now the middleweights by today's standards, I do think making 40+HP in a 350 lb standard package is pretty compelling. The TU250 looks like it makes under 20 HP at 326lbs. And a Bonneville make 66HP at 500 lbs.

Something between that seems like it would sell. But the W650 was 50 HP/430 lbs, and it didn't.

(Of course, I LIKE the W650)
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Old 12-28-2011, 06:43 AM   #102
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Something between that seems like it would sell. But the W650 was 50 HP/430 lbs, and it didn't.

(Of course, I LIKE the W650)
I love my Guzzi V7 Classic, 48 HP/430lbs, and also very much like the W650.
That said, I don't know how many V7's that MG have sold in the US. And, I have also come to the conclusion that I may be in a small minority in my tastes in bikes, which is OK by me, so long as I can still get what I want. I plan on keeping my V7 for a long, long time.
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Old 12-28-2011, 07:38 AM   #103
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Ah, the old '250cc road bike as proof of a higher level of enlightenment' routine.

Gettin' to be a bit of a cliche, isn't it?

If I had a nickel for every time I've heard that line used to rationalize a 250cc road bike I'd have a shitload of nickels......

Does it bother you that some people who have climbed the cc ladder now enjoy or wish for something smaller and lighter?
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Old 12-28-2011, 07:54 AM   #104
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I agree with 2tallnwide & Yossarian that if you don't like a companies product you should vote with your dollars and boycott them.
I have been boycotting them for 37 years now, unfortunately, just about the time I get it to work, some bastige bails them out again...
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Old 12-28-2011, 08:12 AM   #105
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Ah, the old '250cc road bike as proof of a higher level of enlightenment' routine.

Gettin' to be a bit of a cliche, isn't it?

If I had a nickel for every time I've heard that line used to rationalize a 250cc road bike I'd have a shitload of nickels......
Ignorance... It's a beautiful thing to behold... And laugh at.
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