I hate too say it....but talk me into a Harley

[EricD10563]

Originally Posted by jrflanne

Nice bike! And this is from an Ape rider.

Thanks, the Tour-Pac was my last purchase, got a good deal on a used one. The Road King is like having three bikes, there is so much stuff for these bikes and I don't mean just fluff, you can truly make it your own. My bike is bone stock and the power is adequate and the handling matches the power output. I've ridden high HP monsters with brakes that don't equal the speed and frames that were no match for the HP, the Harley's components are well paired for the bike. The newer Harleys are really a nice bike I have electronic cruise control, ABS brakes, the dealer network is amazing, it's hard not to be close to a dealer if you need one, or just want a cup of coffee.

[DAKEZ]

Originally Posted by 9secondsflat

this is the one of the pulls after the 116 build

Originally Posted by 9secondsflat

just a fyi my XC makes 138/135 at the rear tire all motor, no bottle, no juice, no turbo, ..does not need freshening up like the harleys do,....

So building up your engine to 116 is not freshening up? You done stepped in it now. Start a thread about your bike and post a link.

[thunderkat59]

Where do you non-Hd owners live where your
drunks, criminals and losers are on 20k bikes ?
I lived in west vietpalm, Florida, and old geezers
wearing " I'm a parrothead" t-shirts and knee-hi
black rayon socks were the only ones lining HD's
and those OCC pre-fab girlie choppers up at the
bocceball courts and yacht clubs . . .Drunks for
sure, but criminals who will make make your
property values drop? Hardly. Maybe you should
move or ride your bike to another neighborhood.
When people quote magazines or bring boats into
a MC forum, one can only pine for the good ole daze
and hope for eugenics. The nu era, Jersey Shortification
of motorcycling is on full display in all its fetid, grey
and beige slattered, HOA APPROVED glory.
Nothing like an Hd thread to separate the people
who get it and the people who don't. I can only
hope for an Occupy Motorcycling movement
after 6 pages of this. The pocket protector-horn rimmed
glasses for safety people need to take a shot of
Metamucil and curl up with a copy of Iron
Horse or Dice. Just don't quote them, please . . .

[Nadgett]

Drunks, criminals, losers, doctors, lawyers, and dentists. All undesirables!

[9secondsflat]

no, a build up is not freshening up...freshening up is when you build up a motor and it wont stay together (or running at that same high level of performance) so it must be torn down to replace worn and failing parts so its running in top condition...

Originally Posted by DAKEZ

So building up your engine to 116 is not freshening up? You done stepped in it now. Start a thread about your bike and post a link.

[schwartzkm]

Originally Posted by wannaklr

This is a big resaon I can't justify a Victory. I don't think of bikes as an investment, but I don't want to take it in the shorts either....

I own a Harley so I'm not pushing Victory, but Victory depreciation is steep initially but tapers off which makes buying a 2 year old model a very good deal! If you want new, the Victory dealer where I live has their 2011 CrossRoads for sale for 13.5k! That is 4k off msrp!!!

Anyways, I ride a Harley but love Victory and wouldn't mind one in my stable but it is too close to what I already have so for now will pass.

['05Train]

Originally Posted by 9secondsflat

this is the one of the pulls after the 116 build

Wow. Is that SAE or STD? Corrected or uncorrected? As it is, it's worthless for anything other than bragging rights around people who have never seen a real dyno sheet.

I won't even begin to go into how pointless it is to compare your modified bike to a stock Harley (or anything else). Suffice it to say, spend similar money on a Harley motor (about 7 grand for the SE 120R) and it'll walk away from that. And I'm guessing that you're unfamiliar with Harleys, as neither of mine have ever leaked a drop of anything.

[blk-betty]

Originally Posted by 9secondsflat

this is the one of the pulls after the 116 build

Nice graph but don't you think that's a little disingenious from your reply that your engine didn't need "freshening up".

[9secondsflat]

SAE corrected and spend 7k on a street glide and my xc will still walk it...take my purchase price for my 2010 XC and add in the 5k for the total build and its still less then a discounted msrp streetglide or any CVO with built motors from Harley.


As for the 120R, kit sure its a better option then Jims 120 but even tuned with drag pipes it wont produce more power then a 4 valve head (non CNC'ed like the screamin eagle head) which is found on every Victory. Try to find a vid of one producing more then 130 rwhp and 130tq..... good luck as it would be nothing more then the dyno jockey playing with the numbers. My 116 build can be duplicated time and time again and produce similar numbers in EVERY victory that started as a 106

Originally Posted by '05Train

Wow. Is that SAE or STD? Corrected or uncorrected? As it is, it's worthless for anything other than bragging rights around people who have never seen a real dyno sheet.

I won't even begin to go into how pointless it is to compare your modified bike to a stock Harley (or anything else). Suffice it to say, spend similar money on a Harley motor (about 7 grand for the SE 120R) and it'll walk away from that. And I'm guessing that you're unfamiliar with Harleys, as neither of mine have ever leaked a drop of anything.

[thunderkat59]

Taking advice from this thread, I just poured 30cc of 'Summer's Eve Natural' into my scooter.

['05Train]

Originally Posted by 9secondsflat

SAE corrected and spend 7k on a street glide and my xc will still walk it...take my purchase price for my 2010 XC and add in the 5k for the total build and its still less then a discounted msrp streetglide or any CVO with built motors from Harley.


As for the 120R, kit sure its a better option then Jims 120 but even tuned with drag pipes it wont produce more power then a 4 valve head (non CNC'ed like the screamin eagle head) which is found on every Victory. Try to find a vid of one producing more then 130 rwhp and 130tq..... good luck as it would be nothing more then the dyno jockey playing with the numbers. My 116 build can be duplicated time and time again and produce similar numbers in EVERY victory that started as a 106

Well you sound convinced....

Glad you're happy with your bike. Take some friendly advice and never race a 120R for pinks in the 1/4 mile. You'll end up walking home.

[9secondsflat]

If its a street glide...wont happen even if they have a jims 120 which produces more power then the SE 120R as the street glide is almost 100 pounds heavier then a XC..

Originally Posted by '05Train

Well you sound convinced....

Glad you're happy with your bike. Take some friendly advice and never race a 120R for pinks in the 1/4 mile. You'll end up walking home.

[plugeye]

Originally Posted by Uglyprimate

Over here in the real world they ride scooters or some old piece of shit rat Jap bike.

well now i'm turned on.
love those POS rat japs

[DAKEZ]

Originally Posted by 9secondsflat

no, a build up is not freshening up...freshening up is when you build up a motor and it wont stay together (or running at that same high level of performance) so it must be torn down to replace worn and failing parts so its running in top condition...

If done wrong yes. Any engine not built right will not hold together for long. You are a fool if you think that a Harley can not be built with numbers equal to or better than yours and is quite able to "stay together" for many thousands of miles.

Before you step in it further please do a bit of research.
Here is a link to stock charts for 110's with various Pipes: (NOT Built Up) http://www.harley-davidson-forum.net...ead.php?t=8597

I work with Mike Tues-Saturdays. We may very well have more charts on file than any other HD store in the country. Mike has a proven reputation for building 150+ hp engines that do indeed "stay together"

Not a HD engine per say but if you have a need for speed it doesn't get much better than this: http://www.harley-davidson-forum.net...ead.php?t=8800


You referenced Jims motors. "The standard jims motor, with no modifications, in a bike with Rhinehart true duals makes 123HP/135TQ as tested (without a large sample, we do not know if these numbers are typical)" M.S.

[DAKEZ]

Originally Posted by 9secondsflat

SAE corrected and spend 7k on a street glide and my xc will still walk it....

Try to find a vid of one producing more then 130 rwhp and 130tq..... good luck as it would be nothing more then the dyno jockey playing with the numbers. My 116 build can be duplicated time and time again and produce similar numbers in EVERY victory that started as a 106

You are right about your Victory being "duplicated time and time again..."

But you are simply ignorant about HD as the same can be said of them. Its all good. You like your bike. I would hope so after spending so much money on it.


You do know that you do not need to bash another brand to talk up yours right? Stop being a child.