Yamaha X-Max 400

[gore-tx]

A French website is reporting a possible X-Max 400 as a replacement to the Majesty 400.

http://www.scooter-station.com/Yamah...-manquant.html

The Majesty 400 sold in the US is based on a slightly older version of the Majesty 400 sold in Europe. One the main differences is that it features a double disk brake on the front (and some cosmetic differences as well). Since we never got the upgraded version, would we get the X-Max 400 if it went into production?
I sure would like one.

[cbolling]

I took 2 years of French in High School.

That page looks French to me.

I have no f'n idea what it says.

[gore-tx]

Originally Posted by cbolling

That page looks French to me.

I'm pretty sure I said that in my post...

If you use chrome, it will ask you if you want a translation. If you are using a different browser, just copy and paste the text in google translator. And voila!

[Phipsd]

The X-Max 250 is similar to my Citycom 300 in terms of HP, wheelbase and overall configuration. The 400 looks similar but uses a 400 single. For those of us who like this style of bike, this could be interesting.

[Plasins]

Here you go.

Yamaha are scooters that sell the most. But in the Japanese line, between the best-selling X - Max and TMAX, there are more intermediate maxiscooter, the Majesty 400 disappeared. What model could replace it? The X - Max 400 of course! Explanations

There's more scooter motor 400 cm3 in the Yamaha range. Segment until then occupied by the model YP 400 Majesty, to pull out last year. Certainly, there is still some models of Maxi-the scooter GT in stock to sell, 2011 vintages equipped with ABS sold at a promotional rate of €6 340. However, between the X - Max 250 sold €5 099 and the TMAX 530 posted $ 10,699, you will soon find switch top bearing the logo to the three tuning forks.
Gold from Yamaha, with a X - Max 125 n ° 1 sales of two-wheelers in France (6 441 units in 2012), become a TMAX (5,087 copies sold) 530, the scooter is a segment of the utmost importance - the first motorcycle Yamaha's top 100 is the XJ6, sold in 3-489 copies in 2012. Then how to fill the void left by the disappearance of the latest evolution of 400 Majesty scooter which, Let's admit, not really met in Europe the success expected by the Japanese manufacturer? The average displacement sports GT scooter track seems most relevant. Explanations.

Sport and Majesty 400 engine chassis

The French market is fond of GT scooter. Hexagonal feature, we appreciate these high gear range for their large capacity, their outstanding protection and performance of the first order. With a X - Max 125 records the first place of the Tricolor podium since its release and a 250 model, whose sales figures are far from being ridiculous (in 2012, with 777 units it is 4th sale scooter over 125 cc), the appearance of a X - Max 400 cm3 seems us quite relevant. The maxi would retrieve the Majesty 400 fire cylinder, developing maximum power of 34 horses. This engine would then become lodged in a more sporty chassis and a more rigorous than that of the 400 Majesty, improved cycle part on this plan. Theory, Yes, but not only! Indeed, according to our information, Yamaha would be taking floor on a GT Sport model that is intermediate between the X - Max and TMAX, with placement price precisely 'stack hair' between the two. This model will happen in 2013? We have no other information about this... for the moment at least. So, stay tuned!

[Cortez]

I can't imagine tha rather bulky 395cc enine from the Majesty in the rather
slim X-max, it'll probably be a bigger scooter all together..

I wouldn't be surprised if they made that move since the Majesty isn't selling
well here (EU) either. It's also rather top heavy and sluggish for it's power
(the pre-redesign had 0-60mph performance of mediocre 250cc scooters
and the current model, while a lot faster, still takes 11 seconds, which is
again slower then most).

I've see a lot of local reviews mentioning that the handling is strictly
comfort optimized (read: it doesn't handle). The X-max is really the
opposite.

Majesty 400 fans & owners will not be happy with this move, though,
since the X-max is a much smaller/less comfortable scoot.

Never helped that the Majesty was 30-40% more money then the X-max
too, and rather close in price to the T-max which was a better choice
logically.

[Phipsd]

I read the same article. Gotta love Google translate. LOL

[Cortez]

Originally Posted by Phipsd

I read the same article. Gotta love Google translate. LOL

It's gonna end up being a forum post by someone who said
"I wish my Xmax 250 was a 400."

[gore-tx]

Originally Posted by Phipsd

The X-Max 250 is similar to my Citycom 300 in terms of HP, wheelbase and overall configuration. The 400 looks similar but uses a 400 single. For those of us who like this style of bike, this could be interesting.

The Sym would be a good alternative but it requires more maintenance. I mean, an oil change every 2,000 miles? The new BV350 requires maintenance every 6,000 miles. Even the Majesty 400 had 4,000 mile maintenance intervals - and that's an older design. Plus the Sym really is a 250 and not a 300...

[Cortez]

Originally Posted by gore-tx

The Sym would be a good alternative but it requires more maintenance. I mean, an oil change every 2,000 miles? The new BV350 requires maintenance every 6,000 miles.

Good luck with that interval, I'm aware of 2 (two) people who didn't make
it to the 2nd interval with the original belt. One snapped right after the 6k
checkup (6250) and the other at 7500, and it's supposed to be good for
more then that.

That's why they're only $100.

[gore-tx]

Originally Posted by Cortez

Good luck with that interval, I'm aware of 2 (two) people who didn't make
it to the 2nd interval with the original belt. One snapped right after the 6k
checkup (6250) and the other at 7500, and it's supposed to be good for
more then that.

That's why they're only $100.

I am not sure how the belt plays into oil changes but at any rate, an oil change every 2,000 miles sounds a bit much.

[Cortez]

Originally Posted by gore-tx

I am not sure how the belt plays into oil changes but at any rate, an oil change every 2,000 miles sounds a bit much.

Plays into judging if a scoot is better or not just because intervals are short.

[gore-tx]

Originally Posted by Cortez

Plays into judging if a scoot is better or not just because intervals are short.

You would have to define what "better" is. Does that include performance, resale value?...

[Cortez]

Originally Posted by gore-tx

You would have to define what "better" is. Does that include performance, resale value?...

Quality, falling apart (or not).

[Phipsd]

Originally Posted by gore-tx

The Sym would be a good alternative but it requires more maintenance. I mean, an oil change every 2,000 miles? The new BV350 requires maintenance every 6,000 miles. Even the Majesty 400 had 4,000 mile maintenance intervals - and that's an older design. Plus the Sym really is a 250 and not a 300...

The oil change on the SYM takes about 5 minutes tops. You undo the drain plug, put it back and pour in the oil. It's right out in the open. I do the oil on my SYM every 3000 km because oil is cheap and engines aren't.

If I was on a long tour and I was using a top grade synthetic like Mobile1 5-40 diesel oil I would have no problem extending that to 5000 km. Given that scooters are frequently used for short trips and it's cold starts that most quickly contaminate oil, leaving the oil in for 6000 miles even with a filter isn't too bright.

It's common for European vehicles to have extended drain intervals but those long drains usually require very high spec oils not commonly used here in North America and ideal usage. If you look at how most vehicles are actually used they would qualify for the severe service drain interval.

I hear it a lot that the SYM is somehow inferior and not worth buying because it's only 263. So what. It's well engineered, reliable, easy to maintain, runs well, goes plenty fast for what it is and is a joy to ride for my six four plus. I'll take quality and good design over a few more CCs anyday.