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Old 04-05-2012, 10:08 AM   #136
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I got the new single disc 21" front set up and installed today.

As I mentioned above, I had a great road ride for a couple hundred kilometers today but I have really been hanging to get the new single disc wheel installed in place of the 21" twin disc wheel.

I got home from my ride today to a handfull of urgent chores so got stuck in and immediately went up to the shed to remove the tire and tube from the "old" 21" wheel (wow, lifes tuff when you got a choice) and spoon them onto the new wheel.

It's been a few years since my old enduro days where you had to change tires in the bush. These days its easier to drop it into a bike shop and pick it up 30mins later. I am pleased to say though that I havent lost any of my hard earned experience and found the task both pleasurable and interesting.
I guess in reality there aint too much tuff about a front wheel, and can be thankful it was not a rear.

1hour later the job was complete and installed back on the bike.
A quick bleed of the brakes and the jobs done.

What a treat. Just when you think that things couldnt get any better than loosing 3kg of un-sprung weight, you drop one disc and a caliper and loose another 2.5kg

Thats right:
The OEM front assembly (tire, disc's etc) was 14kg
The twin disc assembly (tire, disc;s etc) was 11kg
The single disc assembly (slightly lighter and slimmer rim) was 9.7kg. 1.1kg of that was from removing one disc...
BUT - factor in the removal of the superfluous caliper + hose + bolts and you loose another 1.2kg.
SO:
OEM = 14kg
Single disc = 8.5kg

5.5 fricken kg (12.1lbs) lighter in un-sprung mass to accelerate/brake/act on suspension...

I am REALLY looking forward to trying this one out..

I suspect the master cylinder may need a change, but i'll trial it tomorrow and make judgment from there.





ABS ring and sensor back in place temporarily.


I pinched the single banjo bolt from the left hand caliper to complete the connection to the single caliper.


More to come in the form of ride report tomorrow.

Greg.
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Old 04-05-2012, 03:50 PM   #137
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converting oem hub to single disc,,do-able???

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Nice one Greg...

Doing some great work there matey...
I am trying to work out which way to proceed. With Superlite hubs or OEM jobies...Woody has given us too many choices...Bugger..

Hey Woody,

Is the single disc front end a reality with OEM hubs matey???,,,,


merry easter to you too

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ok johnnie,,,converting from dual disc to single disc is relatively simple,,, it may not be the most aesthetic experience like my dual/single disc specific hubs,,in your case just

1,,remove right and left banjo bolts

2,,remove x-over brake line

3,,recycle right banjo bolt and use on left side

4,,remove right brake disc and bolts

5,, remove right caliper bolts and caliper

so that is essentially part of it,,,,

FYI,,,what remains to be seen is just how much braking power you have lost and how hard you'll have to squeeze the front brake,,,now that you have lost the proper MA[mechanical advantage of the total oem caliper piston area versus the master cylinder piston area expressed asa ratio....soooo,,,,the usual fix is swapping the master cylinder for one with a smaller piston,,,

and then ya have a front wheel with a few empty holes,,ya can re-insert your old disc mounting bolts [keeps the threads nice n clean] or they hav eplastic plugs,,since ya like BLING so much LOL,,,these lil plugs come in chrome

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Old 04-05-2012, 04:16 PM   #138
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so ya all wanted to KNOW,,Does the 21/17 or 21/18 affect ABS or TCS system???

no
no
no
no
no
no
no=nyet=nein=non
nara problemos,,,
es mui bien


a big hand to organ donor hernia/dave for stepping up to the pump and providing his beast for some wheel transplanting and test driving...comparing th eoem and Galfer rotors with thagua/roberto's wheel in back ground



From Woody's Tenere Wheels

here's Zach my right hand wheel wizard[he 's really getting better at ,,mostly because i occasionally let him test drive the fruits of his labors,,,[amazing how much he can crank out when titillated with a project like this]
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after swapping the discs from Dave's 19 = 5 minutes,,,we did a quick test drive with thaqua's new oem hubbed 21 and the oem 17 rear followed by installing the 18x2.5 rim wheel mounted with a 140/80 knobby = no clearance issues
From Woody's Tenere Wheels
so the testing began,, Zach first after each change of wheel size,,,i followed
FYI,,,we started by getting a baseline feel for what the bike felt like braking hard on the pavement and then in the dirt...i'll make it simple,,the ABS worked awesome for both 19 and 21,,end of story

now we did the same for the TCS part,,same as above on both surfaces in the OFF/#1/#2 mode,,,,guess what???

outside of the slight gear change ie taller gearing,,,it ALL worked amazingly well....from wild to milder and even milder power delivery,,,i can see why you guys like this system...well NOW ya KNOW....it simply WORKS!!!!!!!

sleep tight everywhere.....'cept ya haven't got a clue how much better the bike handles...i kept out of my ATTGAT gear 'cuz i'd hate to let the tiger out of this ol farts tank,,especially after having ''uni''= sea urchin roe [japanes viagra ] for lunch


From Woody's Tenere Wheels


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so just for the hell of it,,since they were all here we did a lil disc comparo..
to the left the oem unit= 4.5mm x310 = 2lbs 14oz = Kg
center is new Galfer for ST 5mm x310 =2lbs 14 oz = Kg
right KTM/Superlite use 5mm x310 = 2lbs 7oz = Kg

the thicker disc dissipates heat better , so you single disc riders should be ok IMHO

manana we start measuring how to install the sensor ring and TCS system into my superlite hubs,,i've already got it figured out just need a few numbers

another round of applause for roberto/dave for their generosity and trust.

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Old 04-06-2012, 10:09 PM   #139
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21" twin disc superlite front wheel

hello gentlemen,

i have watch for sometime now the evolution of wasps s10. and have like a lot of your mods.
but by far this front wheel job has got me shakin......
i enjoy my s10 in its 19" road going form, but have found the short comings of of this setup in the dirt.
I would very much like to be able to swap a front wheel from a good 19" road rubber set up. to a good 21" dirt jigger
I live in south east oz. motorcycling nirvana, both on and off road.

I love the look of the wheels you are creating for the s10. and i have to ask ........

Firstly; Can i have a twin disc, 21" excel a60 rimmed super-lite, super-strong front wheel. And can I also an abs/tc sensor mounting plate ( just like wasps wooden one only made of alloy) supplied with said wheel ready to go.
Secondly; how much do you want for such creation.

I eagerly await your return posting. with thanks ...cams.
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Old 04-07-2012, 02:42 AM   #140
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stay tuned,,yesterday we figured out a solution,, 21''Superlite with ABS

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hello gentlemen,

i have watch for sometime now the evolution of wasps s10. and have like a lot of your mods.
but by far this front wheel job has got me shakin......you and every person who has ridden it!!!!
i enjoy my s10 in its 19" road going form, but have found the short comings of of this setup in the dirt. well,,,this solves that ,,and the on road handling remains MIGHTY FINE
I would very much like to be able to swap a front wheel from a good 19" road rubber set up. to a good 21" dirt jigger that's what i'm here for
I live in south east oz. motorcycling nirvana, both on and off road. lucky you,,,i live in the Rocky Mountains of Colorado USA,,,,i bet both of us would enjoy the hell out of riding in each others territory

I love the look of the wheels you are creating for the s10. and i have to ask ........

Firstly; Can i have a twin disc, 21" excel a60 rimmed super-lite, super-strong front wheel.yes And can I also an abs/tc sensor mounting plate ( just like wasps wooden one only made of alloy) supplied with said wheel ready to go.i have different solution up my sleeve,,it will allow you to use your existing sensor plate ie the one that holds the sensor....the plate you are talking about is the sensor ring mounting plate,,,i think we won't need that
Secondly; how much do you want for such creation.circa $1040,,

1,,black A60=$200
2,,ss n ss heavy duty spoke/nipple kit =$125
3,,Superlite ST-2 with sensor ring and spacers installed= $599
4,,Superlace and true with one year warranty =$111
5 ,,rim band = NC
6 ,,T-shirt or hat = NC
7,,875mm extended ss brake line for hi-fender= ???
8,,low fender raising kit =???
9,, high fender kit = ???
10,, the Superlite ST hubs will reguire the lighter galer 310 ktm rotors circa $310 ea

Thagua's oem hubbed wheel is cheaper i think because he can swap his disc's out = 5 minutes for R&R

my intention is that ya have to do very little to swap these wheels out

I eagerly await your return posting. with thanks ...cams.

woody

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Old 04-07-2012, 06:56 AM   #141
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here's aparrallel thread in the yamahasupertenere.com forum
http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=4021.0
thank you for your return reply. all you have said, is music to my ears. please could indulge with some pix of of your s10 wheel + sensor plate part,perhaps blue hub with black rim, and a little info on how to get the ball rolling on a purchase. P.S. i have my own mods on "lifting " the front guard, but the brake line set up you spoke of sounds good too ......could i have a little more info there as well? many thanks , cheers cams
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Old 04-07-2012, 09:45 AM   #142
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Check out the new found ground clearance on that puppy.



Mine has another inch of clearance again (or will do with an 18" rear) with the rear raising links.

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Old 04-08-2012, 06:39 AM   #143
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Searched "diameter" and did not find what am looking for.

What is the diameter differences (mounted and bare) between the four wheels?

17" vs 18"

19" vs 21"

Trying to see how much the Tenere raised with the new wheels and tires.

The raising links should raise the rear of the Tenere more than the front. Is this correct?
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Old 04-08-2012, 08:23 AM   #144
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Searched "diameter" and did not find what am looking for.

What is the diameter differences (mounted and bare) between the four wheels?

17" vs 18"

19" vs 21"

Trying to see how much the Tenere raised with the new wheels and tires.

The raising links should raise the rear of the Tenere more than the front. Is this correct?
Both front 21" and rear 18" will be around 20mm larger in radius than standard 19" and 17". Therefore = 20mm lift height.

The raising links add around 25mm lift at the swing arm pivot axle. This pivots around the front tire contact patch.

With a combination of larger wheels and raising links you would get around 38mm to 42mm extra ground clearance.

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Old 04-08-2012, 08:36 AM   #145
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While Woody's been eating, drinking, shitting, and sleeping () I decided to measure and model the front wheel assembly for the ABS/TCS encoder pickup.

Truth be known, I know he is in a tight spot with difficult access to a bike for measurements and he's done the right thing by me. So it was payback time.

I was saying, while he did F#@k ALL over the last couple of days, I have been slaving over a rattly computer.
As Woody has mentioned, he has come up with a resolve for mounting the standard encoder and sensor (which we have conclusively proven is still 100% functional with what ever wheel combo) which allows a no mod swap over from your standard 19" front hoops to the Woody's Wheel Works 21" SuperLite setup.

It looks like this:





This is the new SPOKELESS hub shown.... So advanced that it rides on a cushion of air between the hub and rim.

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Maybe I missed it; but how well does the center stand work with the larger wheels?
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Maybe I missed it; but how well does the center-stand work with the larger wheels?

we had a 90/90 21 and 130/90 x18 rear,,the bike went on the center-stand,,,it was pretty flat,,ie the bike didn't rock back n forrth AND it also didn't wobble from being too short the bike leaned a little more to the left 17 /73 degrees didn't come close to leaning too far.... as evidenced by this pic




i'd probably need /use a 3/4'' piece of wood under center-stand to change tires ..
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re; 21 ' front WITH sensor plate

Thank you gentlemen for your your excellent photos and C.A.D. images . just a couple of questions thou, has anyone measured the clearance ( on full compression ) between the 21" wheel and the oil filter ? i know is close but would handy to know ( ive seen wasps tutorial on this but no measurement ) ..... secondly what sort of time frame would be fair to assume for availability of the rim i posted about early? also to woody you spoke of hi rise front fender & and split or separate brake lines from manifold to calliper setups... would you have any pix of that you could post? thanks again in advance.
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Thank you gentlemen for your your excellent photos and C.A.D. images . just a couple of questions thou, has anyone measured the clearance ( on full compression ) between the 21" wheel and the oil filter ? i know is close but would handy to know ( ive seen wasps tutorial on this but no measurement ) ..... secondly what sort of time frame would be fair to assume for availability of the rim i posted about early? also to woody you spoke of hi rise front fender & and split or separate brake lines from manifold to calliper setups... would you have any pix of that you could post? thanks again in advance.
Hi Woody ... please consider 90 cms for the length of the crossover hose ... after installing my high fender I realized that you need an additional inch to be comfortable with the hose over the back end of the high fender ... could not unscrew the nut holding the brake tube to the manifold so as to have independent brake lines to each caliper ... (did not use the proper tool for the job ... nipple wrench ... so the nipple is 'kaput') ... regarding the brake rotors or discs for my new 21 and 18" wheels, I bought here the complete set as shown below so I can have 2 sets of wheels ... one for road travels (19 - 17) and another for off-road (21-18)
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Hi Woody ... please consider 90 cms for the length of the crossover hose ... after installing my high fender I realized that you need an additional inch to be comfortable with the hose over the back end of the high fender ... could not unscrew the nut holding the brake tube to the manifold so as to have independent brake lines to each caliper ... (did not use the proper tool for the job ... nipple wrench ... so the nipple is 'kaput') ... regarding the brake rotors or discs for my new 21 and 18" wheels, I bought here the complete set as shown below so I can have 2 sets of wheels ... one for road travels (19 - 17) and another for off-road (21-18)
Cheers,
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hi roberto,,,

1,,your original measurement was 850mm so i added 25mm = 875mm now you want 25mm more = 900mm=90cm that's ok with me...that = 25mm/1'' extra per side,,,nos problemos

2,,just curious,,how many us dollars $$$ for a front disc and the rear.???

your rear is being /was sealed for tubeless,,,do you need the disc mounting screws,,,?we bought them for you just in case...

muchas gratias
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