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Old 07-10-2012, 02:51 AM   #406
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WR 250 seems quite capable on the road, what changed to the 450?
are you talking 250F or 250R?

the 250r I rode was a very smooth wee bike - seemed to need a few revs on board before anything much happend though and I woudnt want to spent too long on the seat.

the 450F has hand numbing vibration at speed and the motor hunts a bit at contstant throttle - it either wants to accelarate or decelarate. Like all tall thin light bikes with wide bars its very sensitive to side winds as well and has a seat made of wood. Off road its a completely different bike - just brilliant. - horses for courses methinks - give me the klr on the road any day.
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Old 07-10-2012, 03:06 AM   #407
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WR 250 seems quite capable on the road, what changed to the 450?
The 250R is based on an R1 cylinder and is very smooth.
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Old 07-10-2012, 03:08 AM   #408
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Fluffycat's KTM 450 has a throttle like a light switch. You move it slightly and the rear spins until forward motion matches wheel speed...
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Old 07-10-2012, 03:25 AM   #409
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Fluffycat's KTM 450 has a throttle like a light switch. You move it slightly and the rear spins until forward motion matches wheel speed...
Not compared to the 200 it doesn't. Blip the throttle on the 4Ts and all you get is lots more valve drive clatter, whereas the 200 would have spun up and back down again in that time. 4Ts are docile, smooth, predictable things in comparison. From a closed throttle you have to wind it on and wait for the power to kick in - which to be fair, it does wonderfully - eventually. Going from throttle on to more throttle on they're fine.

You can have either a responsive fast-revving engine or one with lots of flywheel for smooth running and relaxed cruising... choose! I've considered replacing the 640 with a 300EXC but have been warned off because of their abominable steady-state cruising.
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Old 07-10-2012, 03:47 AM   #410
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Wonder how the gasser 300 compares to the KTM...
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Old 07-10-2012, 04:37 AM   #411
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Wonder how the gasser 300 compares to the KTM...
Probably the same. At the time I was shopping for the 200 I was prepared to go either way (KTM 200EXC or GasGas EC200), but the KTM came up first when I had cash in hand. Reviews and riders indicated they performed pretty much the same, although one GG rider I talked to reckoned his power was smoother - he'd had a KTM and his mates still did. However, he also struggled to get genuine parts and the bike just didn't seem as durable. The bike seemed cobbled together with entirely after-market parts so lack of genuine wasn't a real issue for ancillary equipment, but engine parts were a problem.

I wouldn't expect the 300s to be wildly different in their comparison. But... mine is nearly 10 years old now, there's been at least 2 good revisions since. What held true then may not still be the case.
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Old 07-10-2012, 01:30 PM   #412
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Probably the same. At the time I was shopping for the 200 I was prepared to go either way (KTM 200EXC or GasGas EC200), but the KTM came up first when I had cash in hand. Reviews and riders indicated they performed pretty much the same, although one GG rider I talked to reckoned his power was smoother - he'd had a KTM and his mates still did. However, he also struggled to get genuine parts and the bike just didn't seem as durable. The bike seemed cobbled together with entirely after-market parts so lack of genuine wasn't a real issue for ancillary equipment, but engine parts were a problem.

I wouldn't expect the 300s to be wildly different in their comparison. But... mine is nearly 10 years old now, there's been at least 2 good revisions since. What held true then may not still be the case.
I had a sit/stand on TrialsRiders GG300 and the ergos were about right for me. Shouldn't have been a surprise really as he's almost the same height as me.

He refers to it as his 50hp trials bike.
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Old 07-11-2012, 01:33 AM   #413
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are you talking 250F or 250R?

the 250r I rode was a very smooth wee bike - seemed to need a few revs on board before anything much happend though and I woudnt want to spent too long on the seat.
Calling the plank a seat is being a bit kind I feel
250R, perhaps its not so much a well mannered bike on the road, more of a beating it so hard into the wind I dont notice the turbulance type of bike
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Old 07-13-2012, 03:40 AM   #415
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Old 07-13-2012, 04:16 AM   #416
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Old 07-26-2012, 12:13 PM   #417
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Old 07-27-2012, 02:41 AM   #420
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