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Old 02-11-2012, 10:06 AM   #211
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I dought the NHTSA will get involved because the final drive failure usually doesn't result in a catastrophic event, ie. injury or death. Usually the rider feels the rear of the bike wobble or other handling problems, checks the rear end and see's oil coming out or when servicing the bike finds metal on the magnet of the final drive plug. I think GrahamD said that in the last 5 years there have been 625000+ units built by BMW with final drives world wide, and if .01% had final drive problems then 6250 bikes had some sort of final drive issue.
Check your math. 0.01% of 625,000 is 62.5 bikes.

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Old 02-11-2012, 10:10 AM   #212
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Question Are motorcycles relevant?

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BMW Automobiles are about as relevant to this discussion as space shuttles...

From the San Francisco Chronicle article linked to above at:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...DTL&type=autos

It states the following clearly:


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"German automaker BMW has agreed to pay $3 million for delays in reporting safety defects and recalls to the federal regulators, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said Friday...

...NHTSA investigators also complained it was taking BMW on average over 30 dates to supply "fundamental" information missing from recall updates.

The recalls involved motorcycles, as well as sport utility vehicles."
Just FYI...


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Old 02-11-2012, 10:29 AM   #213
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That is absolutely true. This thread has been ruined. Worse.

Someone wrote:

I'm remembering the old adage :
"In science, it is not important who speaks, but what is said."

Or should we acclaim a different standard for this forum ?

There hasn't been much science, if any.


We know that some people refuse to allow a measured, cogent, robust discussion to take place.
The quote about science doesn't apply just to science but all endeavors that involve reason. On this thread, the oft applied name of "troll"(mythical monster,originally) violates that principle very finely. No myth there. How's a consumer supposed to know the science of motorcycles? Like a lotta folks, I've had lots of bikes,darn little science. What about the often heard claim that BMW's swing arm creates forces that wear & strain the final drive? As a former GS owner I've wondered about that. Any "scientists"out there who can discuss that intelligently? I read in a newspaper that "science says the intelligent mind seeks ease". That makes my level of laziness Einsteinian. I'll suk on this beer whilst lounging in my easy chair & you guys do the work. Whay say ye?
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Old 02-11-2012, 11:04 AM   #214
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Just to chime in... my final drive is having new bearings put in as I type this. Going to Mexico and Central America and the dealer caught it on the pre-trip checkup. Nothing catastrophic. It was caught in time to make it a "relatively cheap" repair.

He told me that he was going to start stocking these bearings because they are seeing more and more bearing failures starting to happen on '05 and '06 GSs.

Mine is an '06 with 41K.
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Old 02-11-2012, 11:49 AM   #215
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Yamaha is the only major manufacturer left in this segment, who is still using a design that is outdated by today's standards. I guess the discussion will be going on until Yamaha is finally catching up. We will then probably see many current Yamaha owners happily trading-in for updated single swingarm models.
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Old 02-11-2012, 11:57 AM   #216
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I said that my BMW's final drive failed and it was not reported to the NHSTA: fact. I said that my Honda and Yamaha were not perfect: fact.

Boy, I really am a master shit stirrer.
In other words, a troll!

You have the bike you want, now seem to feel the need to come back and either gloat, or just stir up crap. Seems there are several doing the same!

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Old 02-11-2012, 11:57 AM   #217
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Check your math. 0.01% of 625,000 is 62.5 bikes.

Hi Dallara. Long time no hear of you. Hope life is treating you well.
Your right. That's even harder to believe. .
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Old 02-11-2012, 11:59 AM   #218
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Yamaha is the only major manufacturer left in this segment, who is still using a design that is outdated by today's standards. I guess the discussion will be going on until Yamaha is finally catching up. We will then probably see many current Yamaha owners happily trading-in for updated single swingarm models.


Anyway, I'm off to ride my POS. Check back on the train wreck later.
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Old 02-11-2012, 12:02 PM   #219
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It's apparent you have no idea how many Beemerphiles/Propeller Heads come over to Tenere threads and slag, frag, and bag the Yamaha all day long. Maybe it's a central European thing, because the Orange Crush Bunch with KTM's are pretty flagrant bashers, too.




Seems it's OK to insult former BMW owners on this thread without compunction, but heaven forbid anyone even question there may be any sort of real problem with a German mechanical object!

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Old 02-11-2012, 12:17 PM   #220
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Old 02-11-2012, 12:19 PM   #221
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Now i'm not going to change my final drive fluid, put some Honda oil in, put on a Shiko rear tire and what else am i forgetting?
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Old 02-11-2012, 01:02 PM   #222
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The quote about science doesn't apply just to science but all endeavors that involve reason. On this thread, the oft applied name of "troll"(mythical monster,originally) violates that principle very finely. No myth there. How's a consumer supposed to know the science of motorcycles? Like a lotta folks, I've had lots of bikes,darn little science. What about the often heard claim that BMW's swing arm creates forces that wear & strain the final drive? As a former GS owner I've wondered about that. Any "scientists"out there who can discuss that intelligently? I read in a newspaper that "science says the intelligent mind seeks ease". That makes my level of laziness Einsteinian. I'll suk on this beer whilst lounging in my easy chair & you guys do the work. Whay say ye?

Don't really need to be a scientist, just a mechanic.every car in esscence has four single sided swing arms. Two bearings support most tires, all trailers are single sided. the engineering involved is in how to size the bearings for the load, the quality of the bearing for life span, the rate of rotation, and the number of expected larger than normal loads, shock, heavy luggage or pillions, etc. Oh, and how much oil and how often to service it, ooops, that changed after 2005. That calculation I can't do for you. but supporting a wheel from one side only is pretty darn common.
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Old 02-12-2012, 04:32 AM   #223
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Dallara,

If it's not too much trouble and you can manage the time, would you please fuck straight off out of this thread?

Go haunt some other brand's forum before this ends up in Jo momma, you gormy troll, you.


Thank you in advance.
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Old 02-12-2012, 06:26 AM   #224
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Gee....the real Bobby Sands would have had a few of the lads go out and kneecap the bugger instead of politely inviting him to sod off !! Gettin' soft in yer old age eh?
Soft as chalk so it seems. Trying to honour the cease fire in GSpot.

Disarmament said nothing about power drills, innit?
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Old 02-12-2012, 10:41 AM   #225
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Just to chime in... my final drive is having new bearings put in as I type this. Going to Mexico and Central America and the dealer caught it on the pre-trip checkup. Nothing catastrophic. It was caught in time to make it a "relatively cheap" repair.

He told me that he was going to start stocking these bearings because they are seeing more and more bearing failures starting to happen on '05 and '06 GSs.

Mine is an '06 with 41K.
Mine was an 06' too. Hope your servo brakes are doing LOTS better than mine did. Good luck.
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