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Old 02-06-2012, 09:55 PM   #46
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couple of observations. I've been stalking this area because I'd like to get on a GSA in about 6 months and all these threads kinda put me off. BUT.... all these failures are what percentage of total paralever designs currently operating flawlessly around the world? most likely a smaller percentage I would imagine. I purchased a hayabusa a few years back and read about all the 2nd gear failures due to a poor design. But I never experienced it. Those I knew who did were pushing their machines to extremes.

Point is, anything made by man has potential to fail... except Hondas,lol
I've always wondered the same thing, and I've got a dog in this fight (I've got both a GS and GSA). Even though it would royally suck if it was your bike that had the FD failure, I think it would put it in some sort or perspective to see the number of failures documented vs the total production number. Is there an industry standard on number of failures of a mechanical part vs number produced that makes it a bad design? If we're talking the space shuttle, then obviously a failure once is one too many. But is that same standard held (vs desired) with parts like FD's? Interesting that a high percentage of failures occurred on bikes during the Iron Butt Rally. You can't abuse bikes much more than that. On the other hand, I don't think Ewan or Charlie had any FD failures on there long ways round and down and they abused those bikes quite a bit.
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Old 02-07-2012, 04:19 AM   #47
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In an effort to add some balance. I've owned 6 1200GS's. I've put a total of a bit over 200k on them. All were sold to friends and have at least an additional 70k on them. While I had them the only failure has been a leaky shock on my current '09. Replaced with Wilburs. The '07 snapped a drive shaft coupler at 55k. The new owner admits to being very abusive when he rides. I've been to alaska twice/in 49 states and 14 countries...all solo. Returning to europe this spring/summer to enjoy more countries and to enjoy the hell out of my GS.

Guess what I'm saying is BMW must have made a few good GS's.
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Old 02-07-2012, 04:33 AM   #48
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Returning to europe this spring/summer to enjoy more countries and to enjoy the hell out of my GS.
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I hope that even though your FD was designed by BMW, you make it to my village, for lunch in the shade of the lemon trees.

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Old 02-07-2012, 05:25 AM   #49
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My GS was also "a lightning rod and a crucible for passion ",especially when light bulbs blew out, ABS failed(often)tranny screwed up, shock blew up,etc,etc."Unique"? Truely so. My "crucibled' passions went nuts as hell,i got supremely pissed. Tenere fixed all that. I kid you not. Sorry.Sorta.
So do you come back to G-spot to gloat, or just continue bitching?

Me thinks you are still a BMW guy at heart, as we all love to complain!

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Old 02-07-2012, 06:14 AM   #50
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So do you come back to G-spot to gloat, or just continue bitching?

Me thinks you are still a BMW guy at heart, as we all love to complain!

Jim
Why do these Tenere guys keep coming over to Gspot? It's like they're looking for approval from us. Yes, yes you bought a motorcycle that is trying to compete with the GS. Good on Yamaha. Yes the BMW is the benchmark. Now go ride and post somewhere else stupid.
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Old 02-07-2012, 06:58 AM   #51
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I hope that even though your FD was designed by BMW, you make it to my village, for lunch in the shade of the lemon trees.

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Task, I had to cancel last year but this year is firm. Knoff is taking my moto to heidelberg. Riding into chambery to see my daughter then on to Slovenia and Croatia. Ferry to Italia, then will come for lunch!!! I'll stay in touch/many thanks!
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Old 02-07-2012, 07:08 AM   #52
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Fact or Fiction

There is a similar thread to this one on STN and I'll bet there are other which I never had the interest in looking for.
I just bought my GS and this subject caught my eye. Funny how the STN and this one parallels except for the BMW haters that creep in over there from time to time. Maybe NHSTA will actually find something, but my money is on statistically insignificant to warrant a recall. I guess these topics keep us occupied while waiting for good weather
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Old 02-07-2012, 07:32 AM   #53
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145 failures over 10 years? Heck the 12gs series alone must have had at least around 200-300k bikes sold, that doesn't include all of the other versions out there. That means the failure rate is well below .01 %

its amazing that final drive on fire has spawned an urban legend, nobody mentions the real reason had nothing to do with the final drive. The brakes overheated and melted the seal.

I know they fail, everything mechanical fails, but to date nobody has proven its a design defect, many failed due to improper shimming though. The problem is that you can't tell if its about to fail, like a chain. It and the driveshaft are hidden from view
so problems go unseen until the big bang.
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Old 02-07-2012, 07:49 AM   #54
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That means the failure rate is well below .01 %
The legend is most likely a carry-over from the 1150 where a significantly higher number seems to be the case.

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Old 02-07-2012, 08:16 AM   #55
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Similar to Marty, I've put over 200k on three GS's over the last 7.5 years. Unlike Marty, I've had more than one FD problem and I personally know of five other FD failures that rendered the bike immobile (neither one of mine did but it was close in one case). And like Marty, my next bike is going to be a GS; and the one after that too 'cuz they're still the best bike for what I do.

As far as the NHTSA investigation, they'll initiate an investigation on much less than a .01% failure rate. I think they'll even start a recall on less if it's deemed real scary (fuel delivery stuff is like that). I don't think BMW has sold 200k motorcycles in the US over the last ten years so we're probably looking at a much higher failure rate than that. Some of the recent high profile car recalls were based upon something like 5-10 failures over 300k units.

On another subject, it's pretty funny how the Tenere guys like to come over here and attempt to gloat. The ST is nice bike. But...and there's always that BUT, it still ain't a GS. The ST is about 10% slower, 20% less efficient, and takes 20 feet further to stop from 60. Nice bike though...
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Old 02-07-2012, 08:29 AM   #56
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On topic. What about the clutch splines and splines on input shaft?!
I would GLADLY have a final drive failure than the clutch spline failure I have on my 1150GS with 50k miles!
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Old 02-07-2012, 08:56 AM   #57
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Hey Harrington, I'm with you..servo stops me like I hit a wall, fuel gauge works, and I have no play in the rear wheel, bike starts right awayl.....I love my GS!!

Yup Yup, me too.
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Old 02-07-2012, 09:02 AM   #58
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I had the pleasure of visiting with the Yamaha Camp this past summer at Moto GP in Indy. I saw the Tenere and consumed all the hype that was being spewed. I was invited to Cincinnati several weeks later to ride one. I am a bike whore and pleasure myself from being so. I raced GNCC for years and never subscribe to the euro bike syndrome, but as I prospered in life, I have come to enjoy the finer things in life, Euro Bikes. I thought the Tenere was a nice bike for someone who commutes, likes to take in an occasional fire road scenario and possibly enjoys being the odd egg in within one's environment. If you like lot's of plastic, I feel it's a wonderful bike. I currently own my second GS, a Multi-Strada S and various other euro-trash stereotype bikes. If I'm running errands around town or going on a 2500 mile trip, the GS is my obvious choice. I can load it down, it's very maneuverable, extremely dependable and it's a comfortable riding at high rates of speed or burning up miles of fire-road type situations. I wouldn't dream of riding my Multi-Strada on a gravel road or through a stream, it's not happening. The GS looks fantastic dusty and caked with mud or clean with the tires blacked. Years ago I would have bought the Tenere, but now I realize there's another dimension of bikes that I enjoy. If you are cash strapped, this isn't something to be ashamed of, but accept it, grow from it and go to the Tenere forum and stroke yourself with the rest of your comrades.
Personally, I'm not here to drink your cool aid, so move on!!
BTW, 93K on 1150 GS with no problems. 12K on '09 1200GS with no problems. The only problem I have at the moment is a desire to get a new GS when they hit the floor.

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Old 02-07-2012, 09:24 AM   #59
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If you are cash strapped, this isn't something to be ashamed of, but accept it, grow from it and go to the Tenere forum and stroke yourself with the rest of your comrades.
Ambitious first post, I must say.
You'll like it here, I think.

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Old 02-07-2012, 09:26 AM   #60
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Similar to Marty, I've put over 200k on three GS's over the last 7.5 years. Unlike Marty, I've had more than one FD problem and I personally know of five other FD failures that rendered the bike immobile (neither one of mine did but it was close in one case). And like Marty, my next bike is going to be a GS; and the one after that too 'cuz they're still the best bike for what I do.
rdcyclist, I'll be back in norcal in late july/hang out just north of the GG Bridge. We should meet for coffee somewhere!
Bovine Bakery or any place you like. Your right about my next bike...it will be a 12GS till I get too old to climb aboard.
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