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Old 04-18-2005, 07:06 PM   #16
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If Jo Momma was reserved for important things it would be a mighty empty place.
Yeah, OK..........

You're totally right.
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Old 04-18-2005, 07:06 PM   #17
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You're pretty vocal about something you claim not to care about.
there are better sports that could be using the tv bandwidth.
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What happened? Did you catch your high school sweetheart blowing the football team one weekend?
no highschool (american) football teams where i went to school. we played (real) football and rugby. i was on the rugby team.
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Old 04-18-2005, 07:07 PM   #18
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Wow, that's funnier every time I see it.

Especially when it's used so discriminately.

I was going to post this instead, but I couldn't find it fast enough.

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Old 04-18-2005, 07:08 PM   #19
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I was going to post this instead, but I couldn't find it fast enough.

Sorry, my fault. In the future I'll check with you before posting to get your o.k. on it.

That way, it will be certified
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Old 04-19-2005, 06:38 AM   #20
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Monday Night Football is leaving broadcast television in 2006. No cable, no satellite? No Football on Monday night!Now I won't even be able to see Monday Night Football, a silly ritual I've enjoyed for years.
Wrong, Retro. The story on this is that NFL games will be shown on local channels in cities where the game is sold out. The NFL still wants folks without cable to be able to see their team play. Just chill, get yourself an antenna for that new home, and hope your team has a sellout for each home game.
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Old 04-19-2005, 07:05 AM   #21
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Disney eats Mickey's mousedick.



"Hi, I'm Michael Eisner. And I'm Satan."


I HATE DISNEY I HATE DISNEY I HATE DISNEY.

Fuckin' Rat.

I was a Cap Cities/ABC employee. Matter of fact, I was Cap Cities BEFORE we bought ABC. Lean and mean, well-run, well-principled. Took care of their employees if you worked hard--first thing they tell you when you sign on was "you're gonna be worked hard...but will be taken care of" and they were absolutely right. Had a hard-nosed approach to news to the point where it was so plain that (fewer fancy graphics, gimmicks, across the line) it was almost not competitive due to the lack of eyecandy but you slept well at night knowing you weren't being jacked around with some corporate agenda. When Disney took over they started moving news programs under the Entertainment Division. Think about that one. Same division that does cartoons, feel-good shows. GMA moved under the entertainment division and the morale plummetted OVERNIGHT--it essentially eviscerated the division. Instant mass exodus of news employees though a few have fought it tooth-and-nail for years.

And nevermind what they did to the unions. You may not like 'em, but when pension funds were raided to pay off Ovitz, it was a precursor to Enron in its shadiness.

We used to get memos from the higher-ups that had little Disney characters on 'em that said "Dear Cast Member". WTF?

Eisner and Ovitz are satan's spawn.

I'll never forget that sadness...and eventual contempt...when Disney bought ABC. The clash of a lean-and-mean straightforward culture with the hype of hollywood and all its politics. The work of the devil.
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Old 04-19-2005, 09:16 AM   #22
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Wrong, Retro. The story on this is that NFL games will be shown on local channels in cities where the game is sold out. The NFL still wants folks without cable to be able to see their team play. Just chill, get yourself an antenna for that new home, and hope your team has a sellout for each home game.
No, you're post is pointless Spanky. Unless you live in the franchise market you won't see the game on broadcast t.v. So, unless your local market team is playing Monday night, the game won't be broadcast on the local channel.

Perhaps you should understand the issues before you post.

Idgit.
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Old 04-19-2005, 09:24 AM   #23
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I HATE DISNEY I HATE DISNEY I HATE DISNEY.

Fuckin' Rat.

I was a Cap Cities/ABC employee. Matter of fact, I was Cap Cities BEFORE we bought ABC. Lean and mean, well-run, well-principled. Took care of their employees if you worked hard--first thing they tell you when you sign on was "you're gonna be worked hard...but will be taken care of" and they were absolutely right. Had a hard-nosed approach to news to the point where it was so plain that (fewer fancy graphics, gimmicks, across the line) it was almost not competitive due to the lack of eyecandy but you slept well at night knowing you weren't being jacked around with some corporate agenda. When Disney took over they started moving news programs under the Entertainment Division. Think about that one. Same division that does cartoons, feel-good shows. GMA moved under the entertainment division and the morale plummetted OVERNIGHT--it essentially eviscerated the division. Instant mass exodus of news employees though a few have fought it tooth-and-nail for years.

And nevermind what they did to the unions. You may not like 'em, but when pension funds were raided to pay off Ovitz, it was a precursor to Enron in its shadiness.

We used to get memos from the higher-ups that had little Disney characters on 'em that said "Dear Cast Member". WTF?

Eisner and Ovitz are satan's spawn.

I'll never forget that sadness...and eventual contempt...when Disney bought ABC. The clash of a lean-and-mean straightforward culture with the hype of hollywood and all its politics. The work of the devil.
Indeed.
Eisner and Ovitz, as you said, are the spawns of Satan.
I'd like to read James Stewart's book but haven't gotten around to it yet ...

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Old 04-19-2005, 09:44 AM   #24
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Indeed.
Eisner and Ovitz, as you said, are the spawns of Satan.
I'd like to read James Stewart's book but haven't gotten around to it yet ...

Me, either. From a purely corporate standpoint, Eisner has turned around Disney. I understand that.

The heartache from the Disney takeover for me and my cohorts was that they didn't even pretend to insulate the news division from the machinations that were designed to turn around the entertainment division. Internally it was resisted and dealt with and eventually evened out to a sort of detente, but our attitude was that we shouldn't HAVE to explain that a news division should be insulated from that sort of thing.

I teared up when I posted that first post about ABC today. Man, that really was a tough one for a lot of us.
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Me, either. From a purely corporate standpoint, Eisner has turned around Disney. I understand that.

The heartache from the Disney takeover for me and my cohorts was that they didn't even pretend to insulate the news division from the machinations that were designed to turn around the entertainment division. Internally it was resisted and dealt with and eventually evened out to a sort of detente, but our attitude was that we shouldn't HAVE to explain that a news division should be insulated from that sort of thing.

I teared up when I posted that first post about ABC today. Man, that really was a tough one for a lot of us.
The Cap Cities/ABC/Disney conglomerate gives one pause when considering the power and influence of huge corporations. Some things are just better left small and simple and pure.
I've read a couple of excerpts from the book. Eisner comes across like a meglomaniac and Roy Disney looks very good.
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The Cap Cities/ABC/Disney conglomerate gives one pause when considering the power and influence of huge corporations. Some things are just better left small and simple and pure.
I've read a couple of excerpts from the book. Eisner comes across like a meglomaniac and Roy Disney looks very good.
Capitol Cities started out as a bunch of small stations that were located in (guess what?) capitol cities in the US. In '85 it bought ABC for $3.5 billion by Capital Cities' frugal way of pouncing on good opportunties and betting on using good fiscal management to turn things around.. Cap Cities did have a bit of mysterious past with then-CIA Director William Casey who was one of its founding investors. But CC was known for being frugal, with well-organized vertical divisions and a fairly conservative way of going about things, sorta like the old white-shirt/blue-tie of IBM.

Under President Reagan, deregulation let networks go from 7 "owned" stations to 12. (those are called O&O's) and Disney/ABC currently has 10: WLS - Chicago, WJRT - Flint, KFSN - Fresno, KTRK - Houston, KABC - Los Angeles, WABC - New York City, WPVI - Philadelphia, WTVD - Raleigh - Durham, KGO - San Francisco, and WTVG - Toledo. That reach was combined with the affiliates which have broadcast agreements but aren't owned properties. Combined with technology advances, the way news was gathered and distributed changed a bit...more "feeding up" to the networks as opposed to the networks "feeding down". And, of course, there was media diversification--print holdings, etc. Back in the day, Cap Cities was doing well with their little "thrifty nickel" type local publications.

Anyway. By the time the 80's were rolling around, the networks were really cutting back to make network news more profitable but some of that was due to internal demands, not so much demand for the bottom line from up top. Running foreign bureaus, covering wars, etc. tended to get really expensive and sometimes they just wanted to slap around some of the more offensive spenders--like no limos for the top anchors. Cap Cities already had an edge because it was their corporate culture...so again, it was rather insulated because just by staying the course, they could remain lean and mean. However there was a big layoff in '85 (?) that let go a bunch of staffers--so it wasn't like everyone thought they'd be home free by being with Cap Cities.

Bear in mind that the ABC sports division was doing terrific things not just with programming but with technology. Roone Arledge had made his mark with ABC's Wide World of Sports and again with Monday Night Football. WWS was innovative in that it took a deeper look at atheletes, not just sports scores. He moved over to the news division (with no journalism background) so there was some heartburn but only briefly--he came up with 20/20, World News Tonight, and Nightline and staffed them with the best people he could get, and again tried to push beyond headlines to get stories that dug a bit deeper into the human condition. This sounds flakey now but back then it was a bit of a rennaisance.

Well, then comes Disney in '95 with its established entertainment divisions and snarfs up CC/ABC.

Warren Buffet was pleased...loved the combination of content plus distribution. Made sense from a corporate angle and seriously, from darn near any angle, it made sense. Of course, from the angle of corporate owned news, it was skeery, BUT bear in mind that within these news divisions you have people who will lay their life on the line to keep things pure...unless they are reassigned. (insert dramatic soundtrack here for appropriate foreshadowing)

The small fish (Cap Cities) had eaten the bigger fish (ABC) and was now to be swallowed by the bigger fish--Disney.

Disney comes in and immediately realigns things here and there. First major move was to put GMA (good morning america) under the entertainment division, which sent ripples through the ABC staffers. Morning news is actually quite serious...the first few hours are meant to give people the basic information needed to make business decisions for their morning. As the morning wears on it turns into "housewife news" but it was customary for ABC to throw their best resources into intelligent early-am news for the benefit of business folks grabbing a quick look at news before heading to work. As that "housewife news" started bleeding backwards into the morning hard news, the death knell was in the air. Charlie Gibson fought it like a tiger. Pissed off, I tell you. Stood his ground.

I'll never forget the silence at one meeting as we pondered the announcement and one staffer spoke up: will we still have "ABC" on our pay stubs? Is it still our logo? Are we still "ABC"? It was like we lost our identity to someone we really didn't want to associate with, since we were living with what was gonna soon be a myth of insulation.

But what was most important, IMHO, was that the employees suddenly knew that for all the percentage of corporate bullshit that they put up with to do broadcast news, that percentage of BS floating around that impacted operations or more importantly, content, just doubled or maybe tripled. You figured that yeah, you had to kowtow a certain amount but the news division was kept pure...fiscally accountable, but nothing like having to do a guest interview with Dopey or Mickey Mouse during am news.

Disclaimer: I'm not gonna bash the news division. I know that they're still fighting the good fight. I'm just giving a bit of background into the effect of having an entertainment company take over a company that had, for the most part, kept its news divisions somewhat shielded. As long as they came in under budget, no futzing around with them.
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[QUOTE=RetroNow I won't even be able to see Monday Night Football, a silly ritual I've enjoyed for years. [/QUOTE]

Go to a bar and watch it. Way more enjoyable with a pitcher of beer and a few orders of chicken wings.
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there are better sports that could be using the tv bandwidth.
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Go to a bar and watch it. Way more enjoyable with a pitcher of beer and a few orders of chicken wings.
When you get married, have children, and hold a regular job, these things are no longer part of the ritual.
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