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Old 02-27-2012, 06:11 AM   #31
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As compared to what?

Sorry but I am tired of hearing this and other often parroted lies.

If you don't like the brands that is fine... Just dislike them for valid reasons not the tired old outdated bullshit.

If Harley's were so over priced they would not be increasing their market share. Ten years ago it was 48% Now it is 54% Something impossible to do if they were "overpriced"
I thought sales were down 30% for HD. Article follows:

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news...g-dealerships/
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Old 02-27-2012, 06:18 AM   #32
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Standard bikes only! I would not buy any cruiser or bike that has forward pegs, slightly forward pegs or just a little bit "forward pegs". A standard bike to me is a bike where you can cross your arms and stand up on the pegs.
Harley comes close with their sporster and Victory does also with "the judge" but not close enough IMO.

Come on HD/Victory. Build it and I will buy it.
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Old 02-27-2012, 06:22 AM   #33
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As compared to what?

Sorry but I am tired of hearing this and other often parroted lies.

If you don't like the brands that is fine... Just dislike them for valid reasons not the tired old outdated bullshit.

If Harley's were so over priced they would not be increasing their market share. Ten years ago it was 48% Now it is 54% Something impossible to do if they were "overpriced"
Perfect response... Just because I can't afford a ________ doesn't mean it's overpriced.. BTW, beerisgood, without reading the link my take is this. Market share can increase even taking into account decreased sales.. Harley just has a larger piece of a smaller pie.
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Old 02-27-2012, 06:28 AM   #34
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[QUOTE=jacksgp;18083354]Standard bikes only! I would not buy any cruiser or bike that has forward pegs, slightly forward pegs or just a little bit "forward pegs". A standard bike to me is a bike where you can cross your arms and stand up on the pegs.
Harley comes close with their sporster and Victory does also with "the judge" but not close enough IMO.

Come on HD/Victory. Build it and I will buy it. The second most parroted line... over the years HD has built numerous performance oriented bikes, special edition sportsters, copies of XR's, FXR variations FXDX/T's. Hell they even bought Buell in response to all of you who said "build it and we'll buy it". In nearly every case YOU did not buy those bikes in large numbers, or if you did your first move was to lower the bike, remove the mid controls in favor of forwards or floorboards, etc. etc. Don't blame HD for building what the market obviously WANTS! (it's what gives them that market share... )/QUOTE]

I would not buy any motorcycle that doesn't have a strong dealer near me or that I can't service myself. I'm limited that way since I live nearly in the middle of nowhere, basically I could own a Harley a Honda, Kawasaki KTM or Yamaha. I might try a smaller KTM Enduro this year. I'm also looking for a Ruckus for my wife, I'd probably run for groceries and pops on that too...

woodnbow screwed with this post 02-27-2012 at 06:34 AM Reason: Back to the topic...
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Old 02-27-2012, 06:31 AM   #35
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Old 02-27-2012, 06:40 AM   #36
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Come on HD/Victory. Build it and I will buy it. [COLOR=red]The second most parroted line... over the years HD has built numerous performance oriented bikes, special edition sportsters, copies of XR's, FXR variations FXDX/T's. Hell they even bought Buell in response to all of you who said "build it and we'll buy it". In nearly every case YOU did not buy those bikes in large numbers, or if you did your first move was to lower the bike, remove the mid controls in favor of forwards or floorboards, etc. etc. Don't blame HD for building what the market obviously WANTS! (it's what gives them that market share... )[/COLOR]/QUOTE]

Lots of truth right there.

Very insightful.
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Old 02-27-2012, 06:54 AM   #37
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I thought sales were down 30% for HD. Article follows:

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news...g-dealerships/
Things have turned around a bit in the last year.

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Standard bikes only! I would not buy any cruiser or bike that has forward pegs, slightly forward pegs or just a little bit "forward pegs". A standard bike to me is a bike where you can cross your arms and stand up on the pegs.
Harley comes close with their sporster and Victory does also with "the judge" but not close enough IMO.

Come on HD/Victory. Build it and I will buy it.
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Old 02-27-2012, 07:08 AM   #38
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54% of what, exactly?

Bikes sold in the USA above 600cc. (might be 650cc can't find the article right now to verify) And it might be a higher percentage 56%?? I know it used to be 48% so I was surprised a little when I read it.

Triumph is growing. Ducati is growing. Victory is growing.
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Old 02-27-2012, 07:09 AM   #39
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Chopper anything. Stupid, ill handling ass jewelry. Anything that has a super wide rear tire for "style" purposes.

Basically, anything where "style" takes a front seat to functionality and comfort.
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Old 02-27-2012, 07:11 AM   #40
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My back wont let be buy anything with forward controls, and my wrists dont like sportbikes.


Harley also seems to own the larger share of the used bikes that dont sell market also. Have you seen how many are for sale lately, it seems they can hardly give the things away. Harley got their market share by handing out financing to every tom, dick, and harry that walked through the door. A lot of them couldnt really afford them and now the used market is overrun with them and their values have dropped to the basement. Any manufacturer could have a big market share if they let anyone who could sign there name get financing and buy a 20,000 dollar bike.
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Old 02-27-2012, 07:11 AM   #41
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Chopper anything. Stupid, ill handling ass jewelry. Anything that has a super wide rear tire for "style" purposes.
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Old 02-27-2012, 07:23 AM   #42
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Chopper anything. Stupid, ill handling ass jewelry. Anything that has a super wide rear tire for "style" purposes.

Basically, anything where "style" takes a front seat to functionality and comfort.
yup. Ditto anything with apehangers. I like steering, thanks.
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Old 02-27-2012, 07:24 AM   #43
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I don't have time to piddle fart around with someone's idea of an idiosyncratic moto. I ride to get places and enjoy myself. Standing beside a broken pile of shit on the side of the road just so I can have an "experience" is overrated.

If you like them, have at it. Be weird. Be eclectic. Be yourself. I applaud you.

I have shit to do and places to be, as well as things I'd rather spend my money on.
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Old 02-27-2012, 07:49 AM   #44
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I think the hardest part of owning a Suzuki Gladius would be to try and convince my friends that I was not gay!

What about when they find out your screen name?
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Old 02-27-2012, 07:50 AM   #45
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I'll be honest. I would never, ever buy a Buell. I know they have their fans, but even their fans seem to always have long lists of annoying little quality control issues they had to deal with. KTM fanboys are almost as bad.
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