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Old 10-16-2014, 10:01 PM   #1
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New 2015 WR250F - 6 Speed Gearbox

Could this be the replacement for the expensive and heavy WR250R? Will it have a truly wide ratio gearbox? Who knows. Let the speculation begin!



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Old 10-17-2014, 12:57 PM   #2
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Could this be the replacement for the expensive and heavy WR250R?
No, it is the replacement for last year's WR250F

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Will it have a truly wide ratio gearbox
No.

Speculation? I speculate that the WR250R will be replaced on the exact same timeline as the DRZ400, KLR650, and XR650L. Meaning many of us will be dead before Yamaha comes out with an all new 250 dual sport.
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Old 10-17-2014, 01:26 PM   #3
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I don't think he means replacement for WR250R literally, but could people use this in instead of the 250R.

On paper it looks great. FI, 6 speed WR transmission. You have to wonder if the pricing will make it worthwhile though. Throw in a couple more grand and you can buy a brand new, street legal 500EXC with way more horsepower, FI, and WR tranny.
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Old 10-17-2014, 02:14 PM   #4
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No, it is the replacement for last year's WR250F



No.

Speculation? I speculate that the WR250R will be replaced on the exact same timeline as the DRZ400, KLR650, and XR650L. Meaning many of us will be dead before Yamaha comes out with an all new 250 dual sport.
speak for yourself, I should be ready for a retirement toy by that time
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Old 10-17-2014, 05:05 PM   #5
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I don't think he means replacement for WR250R literally, but could people use this in instead of the 250R.
As he said, it is a replacement for the WR250f.

Engine is based on the YZF engine, meaning short service times just like the current WR250f.

Nice looking bike though.
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Old 10-17-2014, 05:12 PM   #6
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I don't think he means replacement for WR250R literally, but could people use this in instead of the 250R.

On paper it looks great. FI, 6 speed WR transmission. You have to wonder if the pricing will make it worthwhile though. Throw in a couple more grand and you can buy a brand new, street legal 500EXC with way more horsepower, FI, and WR tranny.
Just wanted to say that the 500 EXC only makes 5 more hp than the current YZ250f so it's not way more.
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Old 10-17-2014, 08:01 PM   #7
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Looks good!

As an owner of a well worn '08 WR250F (soon to be for sale), I appreciate Yamaha's commitment to the offroad side of motorcycling. This machine is just the natural progression of new engine design, FI and frame into the WR. They just left out one very important feature... street legality. Shame too, I bet this WR would be much easier to hustle down the trail than the 450 version. KTM/Husky still at the top of the list.
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Old 10-17-2014, 10:07 PM   #8
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Just wanted to say that the 500 EXC only makes 5 more hp than the current YZ250f so it's not way more.


Do you and kyns use the same dyno? A 500 EXC is up around 10-12 hp on a YZ 250F and by the time the WR 250F is de-tuned and softened up the spread is going to be more like 15-17 hp. Not to mention the 500 will be making double the torque.
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Old 10-18-2014, 03:29 AM   #9
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Do you and kyns use the same dyno? A 500 EXC is up around 10-12 hp on a YZ 250F and by the time the WR 250F is de-tuned and softened up the spread is going to be more like 15-17 hp. Not to mention the 500 will be making double the torque.
Hey there just stating the horsepower numbers that I have seen and I was mistaken as the 500 was rated at wheel horsepower so it is around 10 between the 250 and 500, I made no statements about torque, and what about the 500 exc's extra weight and inertia from the over double sized engine? How badly the WR250F will be pluged up from the factory remains to be seen and as with the WR450f It's a couple minutes of your time to fix.

Likely someone would want either bike for there own reason's but I don't think speed would be a problem with either.
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Old 10-20-2014, 04:22 PM   #10
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We'll know soon on tech specs, but on paper, this bike is equivalent to a KTM 250XCF-W. I for one am very excited about it. Could be a very good candidate for an off-road focused dual sport conversion.
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Old 10-20-2014, 05:11 PM   #11
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The 2015 WR250f is essentially a YX250f MXer with minimal lighting and a 6 speed 'box for enduro/ off road racing. As great a bike as it looks, I seriously doubt that Yamaha will make a road legal version, as they have already invested reasonable R&D effort into the WR250R for that purpose.
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Old 10-20-2014, 05:46 PM   #12
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The 2015 WR250f is essentially a YX250f MXer with minimal lighting and a 6 speed 'box for enduro/ off road racing. As great a bike as it looks, I seriously doubt that Yamaha will make a road legal version, as they have already invested reasonable R&D effort into the WR250R for that purpose.
It will be legal in Australia and other places too...plus many states that allow tagging. I for am looking at this bike as my next off-road bike & it will be tagged (Colorado).
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Old 10-23-2014, 04:17 AM   #13
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It's been around since long before the 250R ever turned up, and like most enduro bikes is street legal in most places around the world.

Edit: almost all enduros are tweaked MX models, often released a year or two later.

Manufacturers don't have to "make" street legal enduro bikes (for the USA market), as such. They already make them. What they have to do is spend the money to certify them, and before that, be fairly sure that compliance costs will be recouped. From previous discussions, it seems that the compliance costs are unreasonable vs the expected sales volumes. Seems to me that most off-road (as distinct from MX) racing in the USA is with non-road-legal bikes like the KTM XC-series rather than EXC, so I'd think that puts the kybosh on any useful sales volumes for the road-legal enduros. And if you have pernickety legislation requiring too many changes to bikes that are perfectly acceptable to use in other western countries, well...you have a problem.

Rather than lobby the manufacturers to certify a particular bike, it may be better to lobby the legislators to reduce the compliance difficulties for all bikes.
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Old 10-23-2014, 07:54 AM   #14
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If a company that wants us to give them money wont listen its customers, then why would a government who can just take our money listen to its customers.

As been said, the off road oriented dual sport market has very vocal and intense participants, but we are a very few in numbers compared to the whole market.
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...What they have to do is spend the money to certify them, and before that, be fairly sure that compliance costs will be recouped. From previous discussions, it seems that the compliance costs are unreasonable vs the expected sales volumes. ...

Rather than lobby the manufacturers to certify a particular bike, it may be better to lobby the legislators to reduce the compliance difficulties for all bikes.
Yep, the U.S. government - especially the EPA - set up some extremely high financial/resource/timing/technological hurdles for manufacturers to get over to sell motorcycles in this country. It's not just money either; in order to get certified, a motorcycle be proven to meet emissions limits throughout EPA's definition of "useful life." Doesn't matter if it is the cleanest burning engine in the world, if it needs piston rings replaced before the EPA says it can, it's not getting certified.
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