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Old 11-27-2012, 02:55 AM   #1
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new to navigation rally

Hello

Hope someone on here can help. Yet another mid life crisis for me so have set goal of doing the Tuareg in 2014 but new to riding off road so maybe "a bridge too far" but not out to win it just finish. Done k2 Beacons and Cambrian in UK enjoyed it, now want to step up to roadbook navigation.

Someone suggested that the dalmatia rally would be a good starter so was planning on doing that but looking at their website it says 2013 event cancelled.

So what to do now? Would the Hellas be suitable for novice? Albania? or another ?

Also logistics of UK to Greece any ideas

Cheers
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Old 11-27-2012, 03:01 AM   #2
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Hello

Hope someone on here can help. Yet another mid life crisis for me so have set goal of doing the Tuareg in 2014 but new to riding off road so maybe "a bridge too far" but not out to win it just finish. Done k2 Beacons and Cambrian in UK enjoyed it, now want to step up to roadbook navigation.

Someone suggested that the dalmatia rally would be a good starter so was planning on doing that but looking at their website it says 2013 event cancelled.

So what to do now? Would the Hellas be suitable for novice? Albania? or another ?

Also logistics of UK to Greece any ideas

Cheers
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Old 11-27-2012, 05:26 AM   #3
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Hello

Hope someone on here can help. Yet another mid life crisis for me so have set goal of doing the Tuareg in 2014 but new to riding off road so maybe "a bridge too far" but not out to win it just finish. Done k2 Beacons and Cambrian in UK enjoyed it, now want to step up to roadbook navigation.

Someone suggested that the dalmatia rally would be a good starter so was planning on doing that but looking at their website it says 2013 event cancelled.

So what to do now? Would the Hellas be suitable for novice? Albania? or another ?

Also logistics of UK to Greece any ideas

Cheers
Bob

Where do you live?
Do you have a bike yet?
How deep are your pockets?
How good is your credit score?
How tall are you and how much do you weigh?

Anyone can do a navigational event to finish..suggest:
1) improve your physical condition and stamina through weight training, riding, and various forms of cardio training

2) ride ride ride ride ride. rest. ride ride ride. put together a training route, go put laps in on a motorcross course, woods ride, trail ride, consider playing with a trials bike etc. Become one with the bike and get used to what happens when the terrain changes under your tires.

3) sign up for a rally training class...learn from the pro's...learn to find the route and not so much about going fast.

4) Choose a first event that requires less bike...ie...no need for massive amounts of fuel...just a bike and a nav setup...I think the Tuareg, Albania, many of the smaller European events work well for this. Also read through the regs for each and see if you can restart the next day if you retire one day due to a crash or a mechanical issue....this allows you to play and gain experience even if you are no longer competing...very handy if you just committed the time and money to go play somewhere and you bust a wheel on the first day.
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Old 11-27-2012, 05:39 PM   #4
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Look here for a list of events that might be suitable;

http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=835739
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Old 11-28-2012, 02:38 AM   #5
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Bob, I was brand new to offroad events until recently and when I did my first rally I have to admit to being absolutely panicked about the navigation and roadbook. Seriously, I was shi**ing myself.

All I can say is, dive in. Its one of those things that when you look at it from the "outside" having never done it, it looks really complicated and makes you think "God I'm never going to get this". ICO, MD, trimming, CAP...

..but you will get it, I promise.

The biggest mistake a lot of people make (and I freely admit to making the same one) is being scared about it and just following along behind other people letting them do all the nav. Avoid this at all costs and just dive in. There is nothing wrong with grouping up with team mates and sharing the nav, this way you can stop periodically and swap round with who is going to lead, giving each of you the chance to really nail it.

When starting out, especially if you are going to go it alone, start small, say on a liaison section of say 10km. It will massively boost your confidence and make your brain realise "hey this roadbook stuff really does work"! (not to mention get you used to using the equipment).

You will make mistakes. Everyone does. Actually, one of the most hilarious moments on Heroes Legend this year for me was with Perry Newton - we ended up getting lost in a crop field at one point, having got the roadbook totally wrong. We must of been in that field for 20 minutes trying to find a way out, totally covered in crops and vegetation stalks. I laughed so hard I almost couldn't ride and almost fell off from laughing myself weak. We got out of the field but we looked like extras from Dad's Army covered in stalks and all sorts of other crap. Brilliant fun.

You get good days where you're right on it, other days, you can end up having some horrendous mind games where you are totally worried about whether you are going in the right direction. But this is what makes roadbook rallies so much fun, because it can level the playing field so quickly where a fantastic rider can make a right boll*cks of his navigation, meaning a lesser rider can "nav his way" to winning a stage having had the edge in that skill that day.

Just go for it!





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Hope someone on here can help. Yet another mid life crisis for me so have set goal of doing the Tuareg in 2014 but new to riding off road so maybe "a bridge too far" but not out to win it just finish. Done k2 Beacons and Cambrian in UK enjoyed it, now want to step up to roadbook navigation.

Someone suggested that the dalmatia rally would be a good starter so was planning on doing that but looking at their website it says 2013 event cancelled.

So what to do now? Would the Hellas be suitable for novice? Albania? or another ?

Also logistics of UK to Greece any ideas

Cheers
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Old 11-28-2012, 02:59 AM   #6
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Thanks for the replies some good points there.

Seth I live in London UK
I have a crf450x with a 13 litre tank (think that is enough for immediate future) have roadbook the thing I need now is the ico trip (where to buy in UK EU ?)

Pockets are deep but there's nothing in them

Intrigued by weight question ? to do with set up? or how much I will lose during event

5'10 12 stone for the record

You are right about excercise my first attempt at an enduro I never knew you could ache in so many different places the day after. Have started a regime

And again need more time on bike, been riding on road and tracks for over 20 years but as I said relatively new to off road and its a different skill set to learn. Practice practice practice.

And yes I will be diving in

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Old 11-28-2012, 07:03 AM   #7
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I'll be able to tell you more in a couple of months, signed up for the Tuareg and have absolutely no clue about rally navigation. Learn or die I guess?


Check out RNS if you need a trip master and/or cap repeater, very fair price and they are technically superior units:

http://www.rallyenavigationsolutions.com/products.html
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Old 11-28-2012, 07:24 AM   #8
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Hey Bob,

I run RNS, as Lukas mentioned (Danke für die Werbung ). If you have any questions feel free to ask them here to share with others. I'm sure we can sort you out!
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:18 AM   #9
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I'll be able to tell you more in a couple of months, signed up for the Tuareg and have absolutely no clue about rally navigation. Learn or die I guess?
Lukas, I'll be there too (with an RMS team). It will be cool to meet you!

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Old 11-28-2012, 12:37 PM   #10
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Hey Bob,


I've done the Abu Dhabi Desert Challenge for the last few years on a CRF. I've got lots of rally spares for that bike and pretty sure I have a spare ICO somewhere you could have cheap. If you decide to do an FIM rally I'm sure we could work out something regarding the use of my navigation stuff - ertf, tdcom etc.

I'm now in Wiltshire and fairly regularly in london.

Give me a shout if you need anything.

I'm semi-planning to race something next year also - maybe Hungarian Baja or something within a van drive.


Cheers.


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Old 11-29-2012, 08:34 AM   #11
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Lukas, I'll be there too (with an RMS team). It will be cool to meet you!

Dave
Hey Dave,

I just looked through the starter list and saw that you guys are coming over with a big crew, very cool! Got a few rally old-timers in it as well.

Definitely looking forward to sharing a beer or two if I don't get lost somewhere in the desert...

Cheers,
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Old 11-30-2012, 03:22 AM   #12
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Old 12-06-2012, 03:57 PM   #13
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Bob, you can buy ICO's, Roadbook basically everything you could possibly need for rallies/ Enduro's from Torque Racing Services. Even a day's Road book and GPS training for as little as £80! Pop in and see Martin for a chat. He's full of free quality advice..with all the rally credentials! If you need a bespoke wiring loom for instance, Martin's your man. They are based 10 miles north of Stevenage, Herts.

www.torqueracing.net

Also visit Rally Raid Products website. Both of these companies team up to create really cool Rally kits and more.

http://www.rally-raidproducts.co.uk/
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Old 12-08-2012, 06:33 AM   #14
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A week is a long time in rallying

Plans have altered a tad now not going to Greece in April as a cracking deal came up with Mick Extance so now going to Morocco to do some desert training in February.

Thanks for all replies and suggestions have done deal with Matt so an ico coming my way shortly

Maybe do the serres in August funds permitting and if all goes well on track for Tuareg in 2014

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Old 12-14-2012, 09:05 AM   #15
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Bob, you can buy ICO's, Roadbook basically everything you could possibly need for rallies/ Enduro's from Torque Racing Services. Even a day's Road book and GPS training for as little as £80! Pop in and see Martin for a chat. He's full of free quality advice..with all the rally credentials! If you need a bespoke wiring loom for instance, Martin's your man. They are based 10 miles north of Stevenage, Herts.

www.torqueracing.net

Also visit Rally Raid Products website. Both of these companies team up to create really cool Rally kits and more.

http://www.rally-raidproducts.co.uk/
For anyone else interested (I see Firebore's plans have changed now) - Torque Racing Services are also the UK agent for the Hellas Rally in Greece (April 2013) and the Transanatolia in Turkey (September 2013), and will be offering a full assistance and transport package for those events, as well as the Tuareg Rally which this year will be held in Tunisia (March 2013).

Plenty of options there for you, once you are comfortable with the nav. equipment!

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