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Old 01-26-2015, 11:18 PM   #1
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AJP PR4 for Colorado high country and singletrack

I've been following this.
Ramz bought one.
Taiwan built Honda CRF230 clone motor w/ a pumper & oil cooler.
Solid frame and suspension.
Very low weight and seat height.
The price & warranty is right too.
There is also a new PR3.5 with even lower seat height.

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1029612
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http://rickramsey.net/PR4.htm

Of course the go fast crowd will balk, but looks solid for exploring at a reasonable pace.

...there is even a PR7 rally looking bike coming to the US with looks like a Yamaha 660 Tenere motor http://www.adventuremotorcycle.com/s...6#.VMc8eSxvD_8

Anyone who still wishes that Yamaha imported the 660 Tenere in the US here is your bike.
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Old 01-27-2015, 06:59 AM   #2
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I've been following in the thumpers forum. It certainly isn't a power monster (especially at Rockies elevations), but I am interested in that it could be a great "light, low maintenance, low seat" 4T to crawl around in. I am hoping to hear about it some more...but I am wondering how different it is than getting a cheaper TTR or something like that instead.
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Old 01-27-2015, 08:36 AM   #3
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i think that the appeal of the AJP over the CRF230, TTR, etc... is the higher quality components stock. They come well equipped from the factory so that you dont need to mod the crap out of them to perform the same. If i read correctly the MSRP on one is ~5k$? i think that is right in the ballpark for a modified TTR or CRF.
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Old 01-27-2015, 09:31 AM   #4
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Not sure what this means?

"Overall dimensions are compact and everybody knows how important is to have a bike where you feel at home when riding on your foot."

But this looks pretty cool to me, hope it comes stateside.
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Old 01-27-2015, 02:12 PM   #5
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I'd say the selling point is using a proven Honda motor design (though I'd love to see XR250 & XR400 based model w/ electric start & pumper carb models!!!) and package it with a MUCH better suspension and frame. BBR has being that for years too on a small scale.

I think the appeal of the Honda 230 motor is it has nice off-road torque and is light in weight with air/oil cooling. Yes it's not a power monster but the overall light weight of the package is probably well matched.

The low seat height (coupled with low bike weight) should make for a very usable bike in the rough stuff. Instead of using a brute-force motor to get you thru, it's using other advantages.

Sure you can find dirtbikes with low seat heights, but they often come with very basic suspension and frames. These bike provide the out of the box complete package vrs having to mod a TTR etc. kinds bike.

If you are a go-fast/450+cc/A-class rider then yeah this bike is not designed for you. If you are a wanderer who moves along at a medium pace, then I suspect these bike could be what you've been searching for.

I'm watching to see how Ramz bike progresses and what his feedback is. He probably knows more Colorado singletrack than anyone out there and the kind of bike that works best to ride it.
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Old 01-27-2015, 02:15 PM   #6
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I've been following this.
Ramz bought one.
Taiwan built Honda CRF230 clone motor w/ a pumper & oil cooler.
Solid frame and suspension.
Very low weight and seat height.
The price & warranty is right too.
There is also a new PR3.5 with even lower seat height.

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1029612
http://motoajp.com/
http://rickramsey.net/PR4.htm

Of course the go fast crowd will balk, but looks solid for exploring at a reasonable pace.

...there is even a PR7 rally looking bike coming to the US with looks like a Yamaha 660 Tenere motor http://www.adventuremotorcycle.com/s...6#.VMc8eSxvD_8

Anyone who still wishes that Yamaha imported the 660 Tenere in the US here is your bike.
Looking at getting one for Dodgerwife. She could really use a lighter, smaller bike to get her riding skills re-developed. Plus, I'd like to try one as well. With a sub $5K buy in price and good quality, could be a sweet platform.
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Old 01-27-2015, 02:19 PM   #7
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Not sure what this means?

"Overall dimensions are compact and everybody knows how important is to have a bike where you feel at home when riding on your foot."

But this looks pretty cool to me, hope it comes stateside.
Yeah that's kinda awkwardly said. I say they are trying to say:
-it's a compact wheelbase bike
-it's a comfortable package for standing long periods of time

If priced right (& considering aggressive AJP is with their other packages, I expect it) this bike could really shake up the 650 dual-sport market.

AJP USA has said this bike will be imported & will be for sale in 2016.

"AJP Motorcycles America: The factory is shooting for production to begin in early 2016 - so hopefully soon afterwards we can have them here in the USA."

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Old 01-27-2015, 02:27 PM   #8
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Looking at getting one for Dodgerwife. She could really use a lighter, smaller bike to get her riding skills re-developed. Plus, I'd like to try one as well. With a sub $5K buy in price and good quality, could be a sweet platform.
I'd say these bike will be great confidence building bikes plus have the suspension (unlike the most small Japanese dirtbikes) to stay with you when your riding level progresses.

The PR3/3.5/4 all use the same Honda motor.
The PR3 & 3.5 use a slightly smaller frame than the 4
The 3 is 19/17" wheels & 33" seat height
The 3.5 is 21/18" wheels & 35" seat height
The 4 is 21/18" wheels & 36" seat height

The 3.5 might be the ideal bike for her w/ the 4 for more experienced riders.
Here is the 3.5 and will be sub $5000, 225lbs dry weight & avail. in March

https://www.facebook.com/45783463098...483653/?type=1

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interesting

I like the pr7. Could see it replacing the 525. I particularly like the idea of a rock simple motor with more upmarket suspension. 341 pounds? could be a bit heavy...but it depends how it feels.
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I like the pr7. Could see it replacing the 525. I particularly like the idea of a rock simple motor with more upmarket suspension. 341 pounds? could be a bit heavy...but it depends how it feels.
http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1013515

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Old 02-11-2015, 09:29 PM   #11
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I emailed AJP about the dimension differences between the 3, 3.5 & 4.
Here is Scott's response and 2 pics.

This is why the 3.5 and the 4 have the same top of seat to foot peg measurement. All 3 bikes use the same alum. center frame.

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Hello Bill,

Thanks for your questions and interest in our bikes. I see what you are getting at and fully understand the need for more data on the differences on the bikes. I did some quick measurements and have also a brief summary regarding these bikes below for you. I will try to come up with a graphical way of presenting the info to incorporate into our website in the near future. As for the forum and threads - thanks for bringing that to my attention, I wasn't aware of those discussions going on. I have encouraged our social media savvy dealers to look at the threads on the AJP's and chime-in when appropriate.

Just so you are aware - we have updated the specs lately on the bike webpages, mostly because I have taken the time to make real measurements of the seat heights & ground clearances for our bikes now as they come to us from AJP instead of relying on the factory specs.

Something to understand is that ALL the air/oil cooled bikes (PR3/3.5/4) platform use the same cast aluminum (upper/rear section) frame parts - so this means that the seat to foot peg distance is the same on all 3 of those models and does not change.

In addition - our seats are a softer foam than what you might normally find on European brand racing bikes - so when sitting on our seats the "real" seat height is lower than sitting on another Euro enduro bike with a hard (race) seat that has no give or sink when you sit into it. This is a factor that is hard to measure but is real and helps our bikes to sit lower than their measured seat heights might lead you to believe.

Finally - with regards to the ergos of the PR3/3.5/4 bikes- here are the differences that matter and our measurements:
The PR3 and 3.5 share the same steel head tube/cradle frame. The PR4 steel head tube/cradle frame is different than those bikes and is designed in such a way as to extend the steering tube area fwd and also upwards in relation to the rest of the frame and as it compares with the PR3/3.5. The net result is the handlebars sit about 1.5 inches further fwd on the PR4 as compared with the PR3/3.5. Also, the bars sit about 1.5 inches higher on the PR4 compared with the PR3/3.5

In the pictures attached - 0832 is the PR3/3.5 steering head area - you can see its a short distance from the fwd edge of the upper rad shrouds to the frame steering tube junction. On the second picture 0833 - that's the PR4 frame - the distance from that same place, the fwd edge of the rad shrouds to the actual steering head tube is a further distance by about 1 inch, plus the steering tube is extended above the frame quite a bit - which is what gives the higher handlebar position on this frame.

We took a seat and marked it in a spot directly above the foot pegs and took some measurements, then moved the seat to the other bike and took the same measurements for comparison. See below for that info.
Center of seat then horizontally to point on frame where steering tube intersects frame - PR3 & 3.5 - 17.25 inches. PR4 - 18.25 inches
Center of seat then diagonally upwards to top of handlebar crossbar - PR3 & 3.5 - 18.5 inches. PR4 - 19.85 inches
Point where frame and steer tube intersect then vertically to top of handlebar cross bar - PR3 & 3.5 - 6.5 inches. PR4 - 8.0 inches

Hope this info helps, and let me or one of the dealers know if you need more assistance.

Thanks!


PR3/3.5



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They look pretty good except for the little 1.8 gal tank. Couldn't they fit a bigger tank in there?
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I've been following Ramz' build of this bike pretty closely as well. I think the whole AJP line has some real potential here in the states.
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Old 02-12-2015, 12:47 PM   #14
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They look pretty good except for the little 1.8 gal tank. Couldn't they fit a bigger tank in there?
Looks like they maximized the space in the front part of the rear wheel well area for the gas tank. Doubt there was any more to go bigger. Same idea as what the 70 degree Bergs did vrs upper forward tanks like the new KTMS/Huskys.
This lowers the center of gravity and balances the weight of the bike.

I did the math and the motor is getting 50mpg and should do even better at elevation. It's a dirtbike not a long range dual-sport and 90 miles is plenty for a dirtbike.

Need more range mount a Giant Loop Mojavi fender bag with 2 2L Touratech cans on each side http://giantloopmoto.com/products/to...fuel-canister/ That will yield you approx 3 gallons and 150mi range. Need more? get on this guys next buy list, if he does one. http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1039083
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I've been following Ramz' build of this bike pretty closely as well. I think the whole AJP line has some real potential here in the states.
Me too. Love the simplicity of the Honda 230 air-cooled motor, lower seat heights, low bike weight (sub 230lbs) and quality suspension for a great price. Almost too good to be true, but that's what they are. Like i said, the go fast A-crowd is gonna right it of, but others will love it's single-track exploring nature. Great bike for Rand, Hahns Peak and other great single-track areas.

The word is a Colo. dealer is in talks with AJP N.A. to carry them.
I'm guessing this dealer will do very well out here.
The US dealer network is only 6 months old but the mfg has been producing for 27 yrs in Europe.
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