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Old 12-02-2013, 09:45 AM   #1
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Why does the US not get any good bikes or cars??

This has been bugging me for quite a while now. Why can't we get anything good over here?!?! Every day when I'm out riding 98% of what I see on the road is pure horribleness. From obnoxious Harleys, to massive, cumbersome SUVs, to dreary, earth-tone Toyotas. It saddens me when I look at what is offered in the rest of the world. For example, I was browsing KTM UK this morning and saw the RC390, 690 Duke R, 690 SMC R, etc. All not offered here. Same goes for cars too. Renault Megane, VW Scirocco, Peugeot 208 GTi, etc, etc. To add to that, we really don't get any good diesel offerings either. I'd like to see some of these small, fuel-efficient vehicles offered here. IMO, most of what we are offered here is watered-down garbage. Is there nothing that can be done to change that?
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Old 12-02-2013, 10:15 AM   #2
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Have you priced of of those cars recently? There's a damn good reason the vast majority aren't imported, and it's because they could never be price competitive in the US marketplace.

Of course for every person in the US complaining that we can't get the "good" stuff, there's somebody in Europe wondering why they can't get a 500HP Ford Mustang or some other "watered down garbage"
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Old 12-02-2013, 10:25 AM   #3
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Old 12-02-2013, 10:37 AM   #4
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Count how many Harleys and Buicks you see on the road, and you'll see what the majority of Americans are interested in owning.
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Old 12-02-2013, 10:40 AM   #5
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After living in Europe, I've seen that we get more of the better cars in comparison. We just really miss out on the diesels.


Also, I can't recall the last time i saw a Buick on the road..
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Old 12-02-2013, 10:41 AM   #6
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Oh good, more eurosnob whining.

VW gti
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Ford Focus and Fiesta ST
WRX
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Mustang, camaro, Corvette, Viper
M3
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Ferrari, Porsche etc.

Yeah, things are way better in the land of crap roads and $6/liter gas...
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Old 12-02-2013, 10:45 AM   #7
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The cars and bikes available in the US have never been better. Every time a small group of enthusiasts bitches and moans that "if they'd only build/bring over an XXXXX with the YYYYY (engine/mt/suspension/etc.) I'd buy one in a heartbeat" and the manufacturers do it, the vocal enthusiasts vanish into the ether, the manufacturer sells 579 of the magical requested dingus that cost them a million $$ to certify, and they swear "never again" and go back to selling the bland daily drivers that your fellow Americans buy by the million. The only exception that comes to mind is the BMW E36 M3 sedan that came over as a result of a letter writing campaign by the BMWCCA and did well. If you want to reward manufacturers for listening, go out and buy a Focus ST or Fiesta ST and enjoy 98% of the goodness our friends in Europe get, or else buy a new Audi diesel to send the message they were right to bring TDI's over in every model but the A4 (so far). Even the perennial whine about the lack of diesels in half-ton or mid-size pickups is answered with the Ram 1500 and the Chevy Colorado.

These are the good old days.
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Old 12-02-2013, 10:47 AM   #8
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Also, I can't recall the last time i saw a Buick on the road..
Head to Scottsdale.
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Old 12-02-2013, 10:48 AM   #9
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Head to Scottsdale.
I think he meant "outside of a senior living community". I'm sure the Miami Buick dealer mints money, too.
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Old 12-02-2013, 10:58 AM   #10
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You ride a KLX250. As they say, if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem...
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Old 12-02-2013, 10:58 AM   #11
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It's up to the manufacturer to decide where his market is. They project if it'll sell in the US and for how much? Then the manufacturer decides if they want to spend the time/money to get it to certified meeting US DOT/EPA specifications. It's expensive and not a corporate wide blanket certification each model needs certification.
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Old 12-02-2013, 11:31 AM   #12
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I can understand a little from a car mfg's side. It is costly to certify a car to meet all of the US DOT crash test and emissions standards. I see a few models (Fiesta & Focus ST) trickling down to the US, which is better. I still want to see some of the bikes brought over. A lot of guys on ADV love the Africa Twin and the XT660 Ténéré, but they were never sold here.
IDK, I guess the majority of Americans like dull, cheap cars so that's what we get. I can't tell you how many late-model Toyota Camrys and Nissan Versas I see everyday. I've driven both, and they are truly abysmal. I'd gladly trade whatever Mustang or Corvette for a small, turbocharged Euro offering because I think they're better and more economical. Don't think I'm a complete American car basher that only drives Euros, I do own a few classics still and Cadillac is currently producing some great models.
Also, speaking of my KLX, we got the carbed one and not the FI D-Tracker like the Asian market, which sucks. Fuel injection is just better.
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Old 12-02-2013, 01:25 PM   #13
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I think he meant "outside of a senior living community". I'm sure the Miami Buick dealer mints money, too.
Times have changed. Without Olds and Pontiac, Buick is all that's left at GM for a mid priced ride. I see quite a few around here. Bring the GNX nameplate back with a turbo version!
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Old 12-02-2013, 02:12 PM   #14
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I'd like to see diesel Rangers and Hilux in north america.. In Canada we get the CBF1000 and Versys 1000 which I can't understand why they wouldn't import those into the US.
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Old 12-02-2013, 02:20 PM   #15
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Times have changed. Without Olds and Pontiac, Buick is all that's left at GM for a mid priced ride. I see quite a few around here. Bring the GNX nameplate back with a turbo version!
They would fuck it up. See the GTO for a prime example.
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