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Old 03-19-2012, 09:15 PM   #46
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Picking a fight with 4500 pounds of rolling steel it a STUPID fucking idea. gun or no gun.


He could have pulled over if he didn't want the van riding his ass. Edit (?)

Why? To make it (vehicular homicide/assault) easier on the "van" driver?
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Old 03-19-2012, 09:18 PM   #47
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When I had my Ninja, a Nissan Skyline GTR with a cute passenger did something similar to me. After about 2 mins it wasn't fun anymore but I was afraid to even slow down in fear of getting tagged from behind. So I flashed my brake light a few times (without slowing) and turned on the emergency flashers and started pulling over. I waved him by thinking what a f'n ahole but he gave me a thumbs up as he passed by. Apparently he was having fun- from the comfort of an AWD, 550hp machine with every electronic assist available to mankind- while I was fearing for my life. Now, had it been a POS beat up mini-van I would've thought the driver is pissed off and trying to run me over.

I did once have an old Mazda Protege with a few weird looking people in it that kept running up to me and then backing off. Once the road turned twisty I thought I'd teach them a lesson and make them disappear in my rear view mirror. Nope, that created an even bigger mess by them now really trying to chase me down and I didn't know what I would run into around the next corner. Should've slowed down and acted as if I didn't care for their shenagans. Live and learn...

Also, I can drive an avg car way faster through the turns than I can ride a Ducati. I wish the opposite was true for me but it's not. In a car I'm comfortable drifting all 4 wheels through the turns (I used to race cars) where as on a bike I can't even imagine that. Most windy roads around here bring out some crazy hardware, Ariel Atoms, ZR1s, GT3s etc, when I see those guys behind me I maintain my pace and pull over at the next turn out. A man's gotta know his limits- and respect his life.
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Old 03-19-2012, 09:56 PM   #48
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I know what bullets will do. I also know that if I am driving and someone thinks it is a good idea to throw bits of steel or threaten me with a firearm they will be run down before they get a shot off.

It is all moot as I don’t drive a cage and nothing seems to be able to piss me off when I ride. I am actually grateful for the assholes on the road because they make my rides more interesting and engaging.

There are a certain number of sociopaths out there in the World that are just plain ass crazy and dangerous. It seems the OP found one of those.
Well yeah, throwing ball bearings is silly and so is handling (or attempting to handle) a firearm while riding.

However, if someone attempts to follow me, well then I will defend myself. Best way is to try to escape. If that doesn't work, get off the bike and get ready for what comes next.
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Old 03-19-2012, 09:58 PM   #49
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Why? To make it (vehicular homicide/assault) easier on the "van" driver?
Actually just the opposite.
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Old 03-19-2012, 10:21 PM   #50
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Well yeah, throwing ball bearings is silly and so is handling (or attempting to handle) a firearm while riding.

However, if someone attempts to follow me, well then I will defend myself. Best way is to try to escape. If that doesn't work, get off the bike and get ready for what comes next.




That was/is my point. Defending ones self when justified is a good thing. It should be done wisely.

Escalating things without the ability to answer the next level can be problematic.
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Old 03-19-2012, 10:27 PM   #51
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Picking a fight with 4500 pounds of rolling steel it a STUPID fucking idea. gun or no gun.


He could have pulled over if he didn't want the van riding his ass. Edit (?)

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Why? To make it (vehicular homicide/assault) easier on the "van" driver?
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Actually just the opposite.


I am all ears.
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Old 03-20-2012, 07:49 AM   #52
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I am all ears.
I think the point AZbiker is trying to make is that while the bike and minivan are duking it out on the road, the minivan driver has an overwhelming mass advantage.

If both vehicles are stopped, the mass advantage is now down to the drivers themselves.
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Old 03-20-2012, 08:50 AM   #53
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Story gave me shivers. Glad you made it out ok.
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Old 03-20-2012, 09:58 AM   #54
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Years ago (1976?) my boys and I got into a dispute with some enebriated fellows who outnumbered us, brandished knives, and had a fast Ranchero. We tried to split the scene, but that damn car kept catching up and I tried everything I could to ditch them in my old Ford Pickup... jumping medians, E-brake U turns, turning down dark side roads and cutting the lights.

Eventually I wound up on a dead end and they boxed us in and cornered us, I shouted at them to get out of the way and gunned the engine, but they kept advancing...

It's pretty amazing how much damage a truck bumper will do to the left side of a '68 Ranchero before it spins around enough to slip free.

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Old 03-20-2012, 10:41 AM   #55
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I think the point AZbiker is trying to make is that while the bike and minivan are duking it out on the road, the minivan driver has an overwhelming mass advantage.

If both vehicles are stopped, the mass advantage is now down to the drivers themselves.





right... Does it still take two to Tango on your planet?
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Does it still take two to Tango on your planet?
Sure it does.

But I know I'd feel better off discussing (even heatedly) the situation with the van driver, than having him attempt to prove his argument with his bumper at my rear tire at 80 mph.
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Old 03-20-2012, 10:46 AM   #57
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right... Does it still take two to Tango on your planet?
I don't care how crazy you are, if you're coming at me ready to fight and I challenge you to a dance, I bet you run away.
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Old 03-20-2012, 11:52 AM   #58
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Defending ones self when justified is a good thing. It should be done wisely.
Pulling over and letting someone like that confront you is not too bright. Suppose they whip out a pistol?

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If both vehicles are stopped, the mass advantage is now down to the drivers themselves.
If the mini van driver clips the bike(as it is attempting to slow down), sends it off into the trees and keeps on going what does that accomplish? He never has to stop and would more than likely only have a scratch or two on his bumper at worst, unless the bike and rider go under the van.

It's a bad situation. No amount of armchair quarterbacking will come up with a sure fire method of diffusing a situation like that.
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Pulling over and letting someone like that confront you is not too bright. Suppose they whip out a pistol?

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It would end badly...









for them.
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