2013 Dakar Pre-Event Discussion

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[Jurassic]

Originally Posted by auguzt

Below is a rough translation of an interesting interview to David Castera that italian journalist Elisabetta Caracciolo has published on her blog. You may read the entire text here (in italian): http://quellidellafrica.myblog.it/ar...d-castera.html
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What a biker have to do to come and race the Dakar? This year many valid racers have seen their entry refused, what can we say to these people?
"It is true that also this year we have refused 60 entries, and they are a lot. But we can not accept everyone..." At this point I stop him, But bike entries this year are only 189, they're not 200 as in the past?
"No, no, I know about that, but I cannot get over certain numbers. If I do it I simply overtake our safety threshold in the race, we did it in 2009 and we soon realised about that mistake, it has been very complicated. So we said ourselves, let's get down a bit, let's just look for a right number of entries and we have determined this in a total of 230 racers between bikes and quads. Safety comes first. With regards to racers it is true that we have applied a good selection and there were maybe two or three that could have been allowed in, but you know how it goes, when you have 300 dossiers in front of you and you have to take account of who is the guy, what he did, how old is he, which is his team, from which country he is from... because also this aspect is important, we have to choose a right percentage of riders for every country. You have italians, but also french, spanish, americans, and there is a time to decide. For sure someone has been excluded and deserved to get in, but we will allow him next year. Nobody is excluded for his entire life. This year we get, priorily, people that we did not get last year..."
I wrinkle my nose and I shake my head, and he goes on :
"Listen, here is an example. Last year we did not accept two bikers - I perfectly remember their names - that have not done any race in Africa or any kind of long rally race. This year they sent exactly the same dossier, they did not add a single race from their past resumee. But we have refused also other 10 people that have never attempted a rally race. And there were others who did Morocco, Egypt or Dubai, but we could not allow them in. Let's say that the rule is you must have done at least a few rallies. And if you have not been allowed this year you will be next year for sure, this is clear."
Can be part of a certain team help in a way? Or what if a team has many riders?
"Well, of course I can not let in a team of 40 bikes. Sometimes it is important, but also in this case it is not simple because you do not know from the beginning how many riders the team will bring. Anyway the country is more important: I know that I cannot let in 50 italians and 10 french. If I really had 50 dossiers from italian racers I would have been obliged to let some of them at home... It is over-complicated, really! Believe me, it's not easy."
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Very interesting reading Auguzt, thanks for posting it.

[auguzt]

Oh, you're welcome! Just warming-up before the real f5rehose will begin... It won't be easy to catch up for sure...

[johnBOYhenson]

Originally Posted by auguzt

Below is a rough translation of an interesting interview to David Castera that italian journalist Elisabetta Caracciolo has published on her blog. You may read the entire text here (in italian): http://quellidellafrica.myblog.it/ar...d-castera.html
<...>
What a biker have to do to come and race the Dakar? This year many valid racers have seen their entry refused, what can we say to these people?
"It is true that also this year we have refused 60 entries, and they are a lot. But we can not accept everyone..." At this point I stop him, But bike entries this year are only 189, they're not 200 as in the past?
"No, no, I know about that, but I cannot get over certain numbers. If I do it I simply overtake our safety threshold in the race, we did it in 2009 and we soon realised about that mistake, it has been very complicated. So we said ourselves, let's get down a bit, let's just look for a right number of entries and we have determined this in a total of 230 racers between bikes and quads. Safety comes first. With regards to racers it is true that we have applied a good selection and there were maybe two or three that could have been allowed in, but you know how it goes, when you have 300 dossiers in front of you and you have to take account of who is the guy, what he did, how old is he, which is his team, from which country he is from... because also this aspect is important, we have to choose a right percentage of riders for every country. You have italians, but also french, spanish, americans, and there is a time to decide. For sure someone has been excluded and deserved to get in, but we will allow him next year. Nobody is excluded for his entire life. This year we get, priorily, people that we did not get last year..."
I wrinkle my nose and I shake my head, and he goes on :
"Listen, here is an example. Last year we did not accept two bikers - I perfectly remember their names - that have not done any race in Africa or any kind of long rally race. This year they sent exactly the same dossier, they did not add a single race from their past resumee. But we have refused also other 10 people that have never attempted a rally race. And there were others who did Morocco, Egypt or Dubai, but we could not allow them in. Let's say that the rule is you must have done at least a few rallies. And if you have not been allowed this year you will be next year for sure, this is clear."
Can be part of a certain team help in a way? Or what if a team has many riders?
"Well, of course I can not let in a team of 40 bikes. Sometimes it is important, but also in this case it is not simple because you do not know from the beginning how many riders the team will bring. Anyway the country is more important: I know that I cannot let in 50 italians and 10 french. If I really had 50 dossiers from italian racers I would have been obliged to let some of them at home... It is over-complicated, really! Believe me, it's not easy."
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yeah, thanks for posting this! just the sort of insight i was looking for....

i was just commenting to a friend that the ADVrider Dakar threads are THE best portal for following the race and understanding it... so thanks again!

well, i have to say, Kurt's the one i'm going to root for, then JC, Lyndon ... etc.

Go Team ADV!!

[NAVIGATOR]

[QUOTE=auguzt;20372735]Below is a rough translation of an interesting interview to David Castera that italian journalist Elisabetta Caracciolo has published on her blog. You may read the entire text here (in italian): http://quellidellafrica.myblog.it/ar...d-castera.html


Great information thank you,

[KASUYAHO]

Originally Posted by Lobby

"French porn star prominently featured on Dakar rally bike."



Rider is Frenchman Hugo Payen. Article states that the porn star is supporting him to the tune of $20k Euros, "including the presence of the actress."

Only the presence?



You think this post will make the Rally Raid Twitter feed? I mean, this is my 15 minutes of fame! Finally!!!

That reminds me of a guy overhere in drag racing where his GF which was a hooker used to go shag the guys he was racing so they were tired for the next day racing.

Troy a moderator, the place has gone down hill.

Hi Troy

[Stagehand]

Troy! Congrats on the modoeration!

[Bluebull2007]

I spoke to Dave Peckham aka GSNorCal briefly this afternoon from Rally Management Services, who is support for Kevin Muggleton from the USA.

He sounded...busy - Totally normal with only 3 days to go, so we did not speak for long. He said the bike went through customs fine and Kevin had just come back from a test ride. There they had a jetting problem and it was really not running well which had everyone worried for a while, but it has now been sorted out. Sounds like they are ready for scrutineering tomorrow

Originally Posted by Stagehand

Troy! Congrats on the modoeration!

What moderation?


Great warm up this year, if its anything to go on from last year we should be hitting 2,000post/day this year.

Doyle, thanks for putting up the official thread early, there are lot of lurkers who have been asking about this years thread.

usa

[doyle]

Originally Posted by cyborg

Doyle, I see the Main F5irehose thread is up. Subbed! It would be great to know what the ADV avatar names were for the inmate competitors. Maybe you could put that alongside their Dakar info line for each rider.

Will do.

[doyle]

Originally Posted by auguzt

Below is a rough translation of an interesting interview to David Castera that italian journalist Elisabetta Caracciolo has published on her blog. You may read the entire text here (in italian):

This is great, good find.

[Clancy]

Originally Posted by Stagehand

Troy! Congrats on the modoeration!

Onya Troy

[tserts]

Doyle, I would definitely add to the sticky post the TVE hourly Dakar special for the hispanohablantes..

Happy new year all, I will probably rely on the cliff notes this year, no way I can keep up with the F5irehose this year...

That french actor puts a new meaning on the term "moto porn" (I believe it has happened before, or was it not on the Dakar?)... I googled her to be honest, she seems ..."nice"...

[wilkinsonk]

Originally Posted by tserts

That french actor puts a new meaning on the term "moto porn" (I believe it has happened before, or was it not on the Dakar?)... I googled her to be honest, she seems ..."nice"...

The bike graphics that depicted last year's model would be considered NSFW, unless full breast shots are acceptable in your office. At least this year's is a little more tasteful, although even that's relative I guess. One thing's for sure, Hugo Payen has paid alot of dues to the ASO:

2012 : Bike | 60^th
2011 : Bike | 48^th
2010 : Bike | withdrawal 4
2009 : Bike | withdrawal 7
2006 : Bike | withdrawal 9
2005 : Bike | 92^th

[ZequeArgentina]

Sorry to insist, but first stage is run in reverse order for bikes (first Quads from 250, then bikes from high numbers to 1 Despres) and "normal" (from 300 on)?

I guess they will follow last year ramp scheme, but 2013 there is a stage after the ramp.
Can someone confirm this?

[too old]

Originally Posted by ZequeArgentina

Sorry to insist, but first stage is run in reverse order for bikes (first Quads from 250, then bikes from high numbers to 1 Despres) and "normal" (from 300 on)?

I guess they will follow last year ramp scheme, but 2013 there is a stage after the ramp.
Can someone confirm this?

No issue on insisting, just trying to find out in advance what the process will be; although reverse order would set the slower guys off first and have a worn track for the better riders? - unless the results of this small "prologue" are irrelevant with the first real race stage, i.e. SS2 being back to race order with #1 off first?

With a 13k stage a staggered interval may not matter too much, but again it depends on the stagger, as 30 secs is catchable given a coule of small errors in riding?