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Old 04-08-2012, 06:13 PM   #31
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To me the PCX is just plain UGLY, I would never consider owning one for that reason. The Met looks a lot better, but is just too small and slow. A 125 Met, similar to the Yamaha Vino 125 would be great. To me a Vintage Vespa is what a scooter should look like. Some of their newer ones still look pretty good. When it comes to scooters, I am very much a traditionalist. About the SH150i, that was a major ripoff. It was nothing but a rebadged Kymco People 200 (which actually displaces only 150cc) at twice the price. But where it really showed up, is it was a plastic Asian scooter selling at the same price as an all metal VESPA LX150. Honda simply does not have the name or heritage to play in the same league as Vespa.

As far as freeway use, it depends on the freeway. I have ridden my Yamaha Vino 125 from Phoenix, AZ to San Diego and back on I-8, which is almost deserted. Wasn't legal, but it purred right along at 50-55 mph. I have also ridden my Yamaha XT225 on the same trip at a top speed of 60 mph. Yes, it will go a little faster, but unlike the Vino with it's CVT transmission, I don't like riding it full throttle.
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Old 04-08-2012, 06:32 PM   #32
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I don't know...Honda has the top three spots of scooters sold in Italy in 2010.

001 HONDA ITALIA SH 300 Scooter 13.957
002 HONDA ITALIA SH 150 Scooter 10.661
003 HONDA ITALIA SH 125 Scooter 10.088
004 PIAGGIO BEVERLY 300 TOURER Scooter 9.932
005 YAMAHA XMAX 250 Scooter 9.692
006 YAMAHA TMAX 500 Scooter 8.663
007 PIAGGIO LIBERTY 125 RST Scooter 7.361
008 PIAGGIO VESPA GTS 300 SUPER Scooter 7.047
009 KYMCO AGILITY 125 R16 Scooter 6.534
010 PIAGGIO BEVERLY 300 Scooter 6.239
011 KYMCO DOWNTOWN 300 Scooter 5.599
012 PIAGGIO VESPA LX 125 Scooter 5.065
013 YAMAHA X-CITY 250 Scooter 4.931
014 HONDA SW-T 400 Scooter 4.199
015 KYMCO AGILITY 150 R16 Scooter 3.684
016 KYMCO XCITING R 300 I Scooter 3.396
017 YAMAHA MAJESTY 400 Scooter 3.374
018 PIAGGIO LIBERTY 150 RST Scooter 3.050
019 SUZUKI AN 400 BURGMAN Scooter 2.756
020 LML NV 150 Scooter 2.646
021 APRILIA SCARABEO 200 I.E. Scooter 2.556
022 KYMCO LIKE 125 Scooter 2.496
023 APRILIA SCARABEO 125 I.E. Scooter 2.268
024 HONDA PCX 125 Scooter 2.045
025 KYMCO PEOPLE S 200 Scooter 2.002
026 SYM SYMPHONY 125 Scooter 1.903
027 PIAGGIO VESPA LX 150 Scooter 1.859
028 APRILIA SCARABEO 300 Scooter 1.760
029 APRILIA SCARABEO 100 4T Scooter 1.733
030 SUZUKI SIXTEEN 150 Scooter 1.712
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Old 04-08-2012, 06:52 PM   #33
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To me the PCX is just plain UGLY, I would never consider owning one for that reason.
to each his own. i think the PCX is a fantastic looking scoot! and the idle stop feature is soooo cool!
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Old 04-09-2012, 08:19 AM   #34
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I'm not sure,but I don't think the US gets the idle stop feature.
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Old 04-09-2012, 08:31 AM   #35
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We don't, but thats something I wouldn't want anyway.
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Old 04-09-2012, 05:28 PM   #36
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We don't, but thats something I wouldn't want anyway.
the US version has the external turn signals, a parking brake, and no idle stop.

the idle stop feature saves gas, cuts emissions, works flawlessly and starts instantaneously. so flawlessly that i wouldnt even bother to turn it off in a drag race. if you havent tried it you'd be amazed!

so why wouldnt you want it?!?
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Old 04-09-2012, 07:50 PM   #37
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I went from this:



To this:



The S65 was fun to ride to work on but a guy from Tennessee wanted it worse than I did.
The PCX goes faster and gets 93 MPG. It is growing on me-kinda fond of the lil bugger.
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Old 04-09-2012, 09:13 PM   #38
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I had not seen a PCX up close before.

Beautiful machine. And the specs they put out make it usable for 90 percent of us.

I would have checked it out further; but somehow 125cc's and 250 lbs don't add up to 62mph. I'd LIKE to believe; but it wouldn't be the first time I was sorely disappointed in the gap between promise and reality.

At 295cc's my bigger scoot has more than twice the displacement, and a Yamaha-Linhai FI engine. It's spunky, but it seems to top out in the higher 70s. Haven't pushed it as I have a wheel out of balance...starts bouncing at high speeds.

The PCX is more attractive and more economical and only a couple hundred more than I paid for mine; but like so many other good products, gone before its target customers noticed.
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Old 04-10-2012, 03:07 AM   #39
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I agree with one post that Honda needs to build a 250cc scooter and 250cc would be the perfect size.

Since many posts say the Honda PCX 125cc have the performance to make highway speeds, can we now agree that a Yamaha Tmax 500cc can also go and exceed highway speeds?

also can we agree that the Honda PCX has copied a lot of features of the Yamaha Tmax?

can someone explain to me why the Yamaha Tmax is a much better selling scooter in Italy than the Suzuki Burgman?

Does anybody agree with me why the Yamaha Tmax gets such a bad rap is because so few were made and sold here in the U.S.?
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Old 04-10-2012, 03:16 AM   #40
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To this:



The S65 was fun to ride to work on but a guy from Tennessee wanted it worse than I did.
The PCX goes faster and gets 93 MPG. It is growing on me-kinda fond of the lil bugger. [/QUOTE]

Notice the PCX center section forward of the seat, its not flat where you have to lift your legs to get over, almost simular to a motorcycle, it doesn't have a flat footed center section,,, right? For years the Honda and Suzuki owners of scooters have always cut down the Yamaha Tmax cause it has a raised center section the same as the PCX. NOW when Honda makes one like that all of the sudden thats great, wonderfull! Funny how the same people that cut down and make fun of the Yamaha Tmax praise the Honda PCX thats almost an exact copy of the Yamaha Tmax!
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Old 04-10-2012, 06:49 AM   #41
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I wish he'd knock it off with that tmax stuff.

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Old 04-10-2012, 06:55 AM   #42
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Yeah, I don't believe any body is making fun of the T-max. Its him they are making fun of.
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Old 04-10-2012, 10:06 AM   #43
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@ Casey Jones: 62 mph on a PCX requires gravity assist. I'm probably 215 lbs in full riding gear but the PCX doesn't struggle. If the road is 50 to 55 mph, I'm good to go. I'm just amazed how I can ride at 8 mph with the clutch fully engaged. I've spent the last 40 years on motorcycles that won't go less than 10-15 mph without slipping the clutch. (And then there was that Ducati that wouldn't go less than 70 mph.) The PCX handles nearly as good as the Ducati, just slower
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Old 04-10-2012, 10:23 AM   #44
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the idle stop feature saves gas, cuts emissions, works flawlessly and starts instantaneously
I've read idle/stop was removed by request of DOT. But we still get the crankshaft mounted combined alternator/starter. That's cool: a silent starter that works on a single engine revolution.
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Old 04-10-2012, 10:27 AM   #45
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I've read idle/stop was removed by request of DOT. But we still get the crankshaft mounted combined alternator/starter. That's cool: a silent starter that works on a single engine revolution.
Yes!

I'd seen it in very-small applications...the 50cc Ruckus.

I have seen it in very BIG applications...General Electric's diesel locomotives start that way.

Why isn't it universal? Since the alternator is mounted directly to the crankshaft, why not eliminate a few dozen parts and put the charger to double duty?
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