ADVrider

Go Back   ADVrider > Riding > The perfect line and other riding myths
User Name
Password
Register Inmates Photos Site Rules Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 05-02-2012, 06:43 PM   #331
blk-betty OP
bam-a-lam
 
blk-betty's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Location: Charleston, SC
Oddometer: 2,315
Quote:
Originally Posted by Goran69 View Post
And these kind of question IMHO should be asked to those that fell down and lived to tell......do they think is overrated.....

Ok fair enough. I started this thread and asked the question.

Yes, yes I have been down on the street, twice. I'm not ATGATT, mostly MTGATT but sometimes I choose little gear.

Both times I went down were slow speed, 10 mph. Riding gear at the time....shorts, tennis shoes, no gloves, t-shirt, no jacket, no helmet.

First time got a little road rash on my calf, second time a raspberry on my shoulder. Head/face never touched the ground. Was I lucky....absolutely and I know it.

However, both times I went down I was riding in a way that I should not have been and the drops were my fault and 100% preventable. I have learned from those experiences and don't do near as many stupid things as I use to. Still, I definalty ride more aggressivley when fully geared up and take more chances than when riding with little gear.

Point is I know and understand the risks and I make my own choices.

FWIW, I'm single with no kids so if I got significantly injured there is no one who "depends" on me that would be affected. And I carry health insurance and disability insurance.
__________________
Any day on a dirt road is a great day
blk-betty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2012, 08:59 PM   #332
ShadySmurf
Does Own Stunts
 
ShadySmurf's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2010
Location: Labama
Oddometer: 540
I high sided a little over a year ago, somewhere around 55 mph. I ended up in a ditch smashed up against a culvert that a car had crashed into off the same corner. If I hadn't of had all my gear on, I'm pretty sure I would be dead, or at the very least more screwed up in the head then I already was, and missing my left arm. As it was, through the impact armor which met the jagged culvert, I ended up with stitches on my elbow.

That crash was completely 100% my fault and preventable, but it still happened.

My brother in law was hit from behind on a freeway off-ramp by a texting while driving female. He was wearing a cheap Korean helmet, t-shirt, and sneakers. He ended up getting medevaced, in the hospital for 3 months, almost lost his leg/life.

Sure AGATT may be over rated in crashes below 10 mph, but those are the lucky ones, and can still kill you. If the argument is to ride less than 10 mph all the time...

I agree ATGATT can be a pain and is a personal choice. Most people that preach it have either had a friend seriously hurt/killed, or seen first hand what happens.

Personally, I know it saved my ass, so yeah, not overrated to me.
ShadySmurf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2012, 10:21 PM   #333
Vanishing Point
A very sad panda
 
Vanishing Point's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2010
Location: Chico, CA
Oddometer: 2,627
Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerIsGood View Post
Must have been assless chaps.
Damn near an assless chap.
Vanishing Point is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2012, 11:09 PM   #334
Bravo21
Gnarly Adventurer
 
Bravo21's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2011
Location: Spokane, WA
Oddometer: 123
Read my signature line. I'm in the ATGATT camp.
__________________
Dave
2008 DL650 V-strom (black)
2003 KL250 Super Sherpa
_________________________
Before you attempt to beat the odds, be sure you could survive the odds beating you.
Bravo21 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2012, 11:21 PM   #335
phoenixdoglover
Where to next?
 
phoenixdoglover's Avatar
 
Joined: May 2010
Location: Muscat, Sultanate of Oman
Oddometer: 111
Peer Pressure Overcomes Judgement

I went on a ride last weekend. Early morning start because it's so effing hot here now. There were 4 of us - 2 guys riding DS bikes (me and a bloke from Scotland), and 2 guys riding Harley's (one from London, one from Wales...it was regular UK Convention).

Me and the Scotsman are in full gear - full face helmets, armored jackets and pants, good boots, gloves. The Harley guys are in open face helmets with Sunglasses, jackets, jeans, decent boots.

We had good ride just tooling down the coast and back inland. We stopped off for tea and biscuits at the Welsh guy's villa. Nice chat. Suddenly he pops up and announces he's got another ride and he has to go. He goes to get dressed, comes out a few minutes later. Now it's a tee shirt, leather vest with club logo, bandanna on the head, and a mean looking matte black helmet, open faced again.

We leave with him, ride for a few minutes together, and wave goodbye, as he motors off for his pirate gathering. Now this Welsh guy, he's a Health and Safety Manager at a major public utility, responsible for policies, procedures and training all designed to reduce risks and keep people alive and healthy. But when it comes to riding with the Harley club, all that reasoned perspective evaporates in the desert sun.

When my son was about 10 years old, I developed a theory based on observing the behavior of groups of boys. It's called the Knucklehead Theory, and goes like this:
The collective intelligence of a group of boys is proportional to the inverse square of the number of boys in the group.
Hence, one boy has the intelligence of one boy. But 4 boys collectively display the intelligence of 1/4 of a boy. And when you get a bigger group together, like a Cub Scout Pack, there really isn't any measurable intelligence left in the group.

I suppose I could research the Harley group hear to see if they fit the Knucklehead Theory, but they won't let me close. I'm wearing the wrong gear!
__________________
2009 KLR650
2009 Suzuki C50T
2011 Moto Guzzi Stelvio NTX
phoenixdoglover is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-03-2012, 05:48 AM   #336
JimVonBaden
"Cool" Aid!
 
JimVonBaden's Avatar
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Location: Alexandria, VA
Oddometer: 48,774
Quote:
Originally Posted by phoenixdoglover View Post
When my son was about 10 years old, I developed a theory based on observing the behavior of groups of boys. It's called the Knucklehead Theory, and goes like this:
The collective intelligence of a group of boys is proportional to the inverse square of the number of boys in the group.
Hence, one boy has the intelligence of one boy. But 4 boys collectively display the intelligence of 1/4 of a boy. And when you get a bigger group together, like a Cub Scout Pack, there really isn't any measurable intelligence left in the group.

I suppose I could research the Harley group hear to see if they fit the Knucklehead Theory, but they won't let me close. I'm wearing the wrong gear!
Awesome, and also true of the over 40 boys as well!

Jim
JimVonBaden is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-03-2012, 10:03 AM   #337
lemieuxmc
Banned
 
lemieuxmc's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2009
Location: East La Jolla... it's just Clairemont!!
Oddometer: 3,360
Quote:
Originally Posted by dbuzz View Post
hmmm .. where's the stats about assless chaps?

Some leather on the legs has got to be better than none ...
Well... in Homeboy's case there, his legs didn't seem to be injured, but he definitely is missing some leather on his ass!
lemieuxmc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-03-2012, 11:24 AM   #338
Heyload
Remastered Classic
 
Heyload's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2009
Location: San Antonio
Oddometer: 7,512
This debate about ATGATT again, just rephrased. "Is it over-rated? Do I really need it?" and so on and so forth. Here's my take on it, a re-post of one I made over in Hacks:

The question is always the same: Do I really need it?

The answer is very simple. No. You don't need it.....UNTIL you need it.

Whether you ride a motorcycle, hack, or scooter, when you hit the ground and your uprotected skin faces off against the asphalt, the coefficient of friction between unprotected skin and asphalt remains the same.

The asphalt wins. Everytime.

I respect that it is a personal decision for each rider. I get that, really. Nobody likes to be told what to do or how to do it. For alot of folks, this discussion really raises the old hackles and the debate begins. Alot of emotional responses follow.

But in the end, it comes down to choices. Ride your own ride, make your own choices.

But, each rider should also be prepared to accept responsibility for their own actions, and face the consequences of those decisions.

For me, it sort of comes down to the old "For want of a nail..." scenario. Better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.

A big part of my world in aviation is risk management. We know and accept there are inherent risks in what we do. We take the proper steps to reduce and hopefully eliminate those risks. I approach riding the same way.

But we know the risk is always there. The most effective tool we have is situational awareness, and not becoming complacent.

Complacency kills more effectively than even the most clueless, texting idiot in a car.

We also make sure we have the proper gear, because that gear might help give us the edge we need to survive if and when things go all pear-shaped.

In the end, we make our choices and take our chances.

Whatever I ride or may ride, I choose to do what I can to lessen the risks. Others choose differently.
__________________
"Would you care for some left-over bacon?"...said no man, ever.

When life gives you melons, you might be dyslexic.
Heyload is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-03-2012, 07:26 PM   #339
bomber1965
Duel
 
bomber1965's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Location: Rhode Island
Oddometer: 2,794
bomber1965 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-03-2012, 08:03 PM   #340
DAKEZ
Beastly Adventurer
 
DAKEZ's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Location: OR
Oddometer: 19,547
Quote:
Originally Posted by Heyload View Post
For me, it sort of comes down to the old "For want of a nail..." scenario. Better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.

For Want of a Nail

For want of a nail the shoe was lost.
For want of a shoe the horse was lost.
For want of a horse the rider was lost.
For want of a rider the message was lost.
For want of a message the battle was lost.
For want of a battle the kingdom was lost.
And all for the want of a horseshoe nail.



__________________
“Watch out for everything bigger than you, they have the "right of weight"
Bib
DAKEZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2012, 11:52 AM   #341
Wraith Rider
Beastly Adventurer
 
Wraith Rider's Avatar
 
Joined: Feb 2012
Location: Germany
Oddometer: 1,134
Quote:
Originally Posted by bomber1965 View Post
That is fucking awesome cool. Fuck safety, just buy it for the looks.
__________________
"Why not stay in disguise all the time? You know, look like everyone else."
"Because we shouldn't have to."
Wraith Rider is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2012, 04:33 PM   #342
2000RSV
Go Fast, Go Long
 
2000RSV's Avatar
 
Joined: Nov 2007
Location: FDL, WI
Oddometer: 2,194
ATGATT all the time. Only exception is going to a softball game. Then I don't wear riding pants or boots. Only have on my game pants and cleats.

Now that I think about all the drinking done by the players in earlier games, this may not be a good choice. Overpants and boots from now on. Cleats go in the bat bag.

Got to set a good example for the younguns on the team that just got bikes. Already have got them to take the MSF course and to wear a helmet 100% of the time. Working on the other gear.

J
2000RSV is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2012, 11:19 PM   #343
Dirt Road Cowboy
Treasure Hunter
 
Dirt Road Cowboy's Avatar
 
Joined: Feb 2011
Location: Tyler, Texas
Oddometer: 388
Quote:
Originally Posted by DAKEZ View Post
For Want of a Nail

For want of a nail the shoe was lost.
For want of a shoe the horse was lost.
For want of a horse the rider was lost.
For want of a rider the message was lost.
For want of a message the battle was lost.
For want of a battle the kingdom was lost.
And all for the want of a horseshoe nail.




I think the nail is in my tire!


.
__________________
78 GL1000 Full Vetter
75 GL1000 Nekid/Minimalistic
73 Ironhead Sportster
66 CT200/Lifan 140 (Trail 90) Build Report
XR100 engine and misc. parts, waiting for the Mad Scientist treatment!
Dirt Road Cowboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-05-2012, 06:07 AM   #344
Iron Horse
I Make Shit Up
 
Iron Horse's Avatar
 
Joined: Jan 2009
Location: Centennial, CO
Oddometer: 9,110
Wear whatever the hell you want. I don't GOS. But I think if you have family and loved ones, you're a selfish prick if you don't do what you can to protect yourself.

Except for the Tron fan suit. Not only does it look "I live with my mom" but it's probably a good way to have drunks and debutantes target fixate on your ass.

Now, wheres my coffee?
__________________
Wandering Wapiti
Iron Horse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-05-2012, 07:19 AM   #345
TrashCan
Scary Jerry
 
TrashCan's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Location: Louisville, Tn
Oddometer: 4,117
Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadySmurf View Post





I agree ATGATT can be a pain and is a personal choice. Most people that preach it have either had a friend seriously hurt/killed, or seen first hand what happens.

Personally, I know it saved my ass, so yeah, not overrated to me.


I look at putting on the gear the same as getting the bike being ready to go. Gas, oil, tires.

The only exception is jeans on bike nite. 10 miles up and back and home by 8:00 pm.
__________________
X the DY.

TrashCan is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Share

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

.
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


Times are GMT -7.   It's 02:15 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ADVrider 2011-2014