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Old 04-14-2012, 06:19 PM   #46
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Great discussion --thanks!
(if this was over in thumpers it would have devolved into a between the orange and blue contingents.

Bikes are only good at doing one type of riding --anytime you ask them to have two more missions, you will introduce compromises. I agree with the buying a cheap(er) bike and after riding it enough determine what you like/hate about it then going for the exact bike (it is a moving target ) that has the least compromises to you....

Surprised I didn't hear a suggestion for a DR-Z.
DR-Z 400s are common, inexpensive, and are fun scoots in town, and work well enough for me out in the dirt...(but don't have a 5 speed gearbox that makes them hard to gear for both dirty and hwy work).
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Old 04-14-2012, 06:39 PM   #47
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Seems like it would. It weighs about the same as the rest and the MSRP is only about a grand more.

Why are people picking up KLR's, DR's and small KTM's if that thumper GS is the cat's meow?
I love my 2007 F650 GS (single) the newer G650 GS is the same bike. Ask BMW why they changed the model number designation.
The BMW is not near as dirt worthy as the DR. But much better for putting on the hiway miles, it can easily keep up and pass interstate traffic. I have done 600 mile days on mine. But it being a BMW fixing biffs, bound to happen if you really get in to the dirt, can get expensive. The BMW rotax engine has proven itself as reliable as an anvil.

Never had a KLR or KTM so can't direct compare.
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Old 04-14-2012, 07:30 PM   #48
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I call bull shit but you call it what you want. It's 35 horsepower.
OK. I'll call it, "Learn how to tune a bike so it doesn't ride like crap.".



I'm not even an expert, but people amaze me when they can't do simple things even with a manual available. Adjusting a BST40 or picking a sprocket ratio isn't rocket science. Of course, I might be stupid for thinking that other people actually read instructions sometimes.
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Old 04-14-2012, 07:51 PM   #49
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OK. I'll call it, "Learn how to tune a bike so it doesn't ride like crap.".



I'm not even an expert, but people amaze me when they can't do simple things even with a manual available. Adjusting a BST40 or picking a sprocket ratio isn't rocket science. Of course, I might be stupid for thinking that other people actually read instructions sometimes.

Yeah, okay, you betcha.

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Old 04-14-2012, 08:13 PM   #50
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Seems like it would. It weighs about the same as the rest and the MSRP is only about a grand more.

Why are people picking up KLR's, DR's and small KTM's if that thumper GS is the cat's meow?
The F650 thumpers were available with ABS too. They also originally came with a carb, as the Funduro. Later models were given EFI.

They're known for being really smooth, fairly powerful, and extremely frugal on fuel. I don't think any 650 thumper gets the MPG like a BMW F650 thumper. My buddy gets in the 60s with his F650CS.

They tend to be heavier than bikes like the DR or XR-L, and seem more biased towards road use...except for the G650X-Challenge. They also tend to cost more to purchase, maintain, modify, insure, and repair.


Why a bike like the DR or KLR? The DR is inexpensive, durable, simple, upgradeable, and hasn't really been changed since 1996. Parts and mods are all over. Try finding an 8gal+ plastic tank and a fully-adjustable suspension swap for another smooth, 365lb or less, 650-class dualsport that never overheats or needs valve shims, runs great on Mexican barrel-gas, and can carry a full load of gear down any passable road.
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Old 04-15-2012, 09:15 AM   #51
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Why a bike like the DR or KLR? The DR is inexpensive, durable, simple, upgradeable, and hasn't really been changed since 1996. Parts and mods are all over. Try finding an 8gal+ plastic tank and a fully-adjustable suspension swap for another smooth, 365lb or less, 650-class dualsport that never overheats or needs valve shims, runs great on Mexican barrel-gas, and can carry a full load of gear down any passable road.
Are you affiliated with Suzuki? ;)

In all seriousness, though, thanks for the input! Now that people have pointed out that I'm simply thinking about this too much and just need to go buy one, I'll relax a bit! haha
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Old 04-16-2012, 04:43 AM   #52
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And here's your first example of the Chevy/Ford argument.
You left out Dodge so F.Y.Y.F.F.er!

As to the content of this thread...I'll never understand WHY so many people need validation from the masses to buy the bike of their choice? After all, if you go by what the majority says would be the "best" it might NOT suit your needs/desires because they might be different from all the Sheeples and it isn't REALLY your bike, it's theirs and suits their needs. (maybe not those of your own)

Ask yourself these questions to get going.
1. How much maint do you want to do on your own/afford to have done?
2. What percentage of Hwy vs street and at what speeds?
3. What types of riding in scenario # 2?
4. How do the models you're looking at actually fit into those requirements?
5. Is there factory/aftermarket support to further shoe-horn the models you're looking at, into the above requirements?

There ya go!
My list of the top 5 things you need to know to start thinking for yourself in regards to selecting a D.S.

Make a list and check off the pros and cons. It's simple. REALLY!
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Old 04-16-2012, 05:04 AM   #53
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" Thinking for yourself " are the key words here.........thanks to Creep.
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Old 04-16-2012, 05:41 AM   #54
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You left out Dodge so F.Y.Y.F.F.er!

As to the content of this thread...I'll never understand WHY so many people need validation from the masses to buy the bike of their choice? After all, if you go by what the majority says would be the "best" it might NOT suit your needs/desires because they might be different from all the Sheeples and it isn't REALLY your bike, it's theirs and suits their needs. (maybe not those of your own)

Ask yourself these questions to get going.
1. How much maint do you want to do on your own/afford to have done?
2. What percentage of Hwy vs street and at what speeds?
3. What types of riding in scenario # 2?
4. How do the models you're looking at actually fit into those requirements?
5. Is there factory/aftermarket support to further shoe-horn the models you're looking at, into the above requirements?

There ya go!
My list of the top 5 things you need to know to start thinking for yourself in regards to selecting a D.S.

Make a list and check off the pros and cons. It's simple. REALLY!
Thanks, creep. I guess you just read the title of the thread and guessed it was the same as the last dozen threads on the matter. I had all of those questions answered in my original post, and clarified in further posts. It isn't a matter of asking people what the best bike is (I never did that), it was asking people what bike best suits my listed criteria.
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~68 mph is all I'm really interested in doing. It'd be nice to be able to squeeze a little more than that when it comes time to pass or get up a hill, though. Will a 650 thumper not do that?
My buddy has a KLR. His does 70 easily, with plenty left. He complains it is "winding out", but at 70 MPH he's still 2000 RPM away from redline.

Heck, my KLX250 will do 85, but that's getting it pretty close to redline. Wouldn't want to do that very long, and the KLX250 is *WAY* light for any extended highway usage. The KLR is a MUCH better bike for what you're wanting to do with it, and they're plentiful and relatively inexpensive...
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Old 04-16-2012, 02:28 PM   #56
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Thanks, creep. I guess you just read the title of the thread and guessed it was the same as the last dozen threads on the matter. I had all of those questions answered in my original post, and clarified in further posts. It isn't a matter of asking people what the best bike is (I never did that), it was asking people what bike best suits my listed criteria.
I understood that.
My point, is that it's still all a matter of personal perspective and only YOU, will ever realize what perspective you need.
Opinions are like assholes @ a proctologists convention around here. Every one has one and they're just sitting on it waiting for the right moment to show it and and hope you'll admire it.

...and like that asshole, it'll only really be appreciated by its owner. (hopefully! ya sick bastages)
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I understood that.
My point, is that it's still all a matter of personal perspective and only YOU, will ever realize what perspective you need.
Opinions are like assholes @ a proctologists convention around here. Every one has one and they're just sitting on it waiting for the right moment to show it and and hope you'll admire it.

...and like that asshole, it'll only really be appreciated by its owner. (hopefully! ya sick bastages)

Good advice.


I was getting ready to suggest a CT 90 tuned by Kommando.
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Thanks, everyone, for your input! Your advice is setting this new motorcyclist on the right path. :)

DR650 vs KLR650 vs G/F650GS

The three way battle to end all battles, it appears. I'll try to get seat time on the first two (no idea where I'll find the BMW to try out.. we don't even have a dealer for those up here) and go from there.
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I'll try to get seat time on the first two (no idea where I'll find the BMW to try out.. we don't even have a dealer for those up here) and go from there.
Of course the irony is the BMW dealer is the only one that will let you test ride their bikes. Silly.
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Of course the irony is the BMW dealer is the only one that will let you test ride their bikes. Silly.
My local Suzuki dealer allows test rides. Mind you, they're a powersports dealer and they sell boats and canoes and shit as well...could be why they're more lenient.
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